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Wow, you must be one of those few in western society that never touched alcohol, never smoked a cigarette and never consumed sugars! Not that its something to m

Wow, you must be one of those few in western society that never touched alcohol, never smoked a cigarette and never consumed sugars! Not that its something to marvel at, but for sure you are a curiosity, just like your kids will be in society. On a more serious note, some drugs do much more good than harm. Some psychedelics have extremely good results when treating hard psychiatric patients with conditions our modern medicine has absolutely 0 cure for. I mean way beyond anything current pharma industry can produce, much less side effects. Its abhorrent and primitive medieval mindset to ban such treatments to those whose lives are completely destroyed by their conditions, just because you were brought up in some primitive society that scaremongered you/your parents into clear falsehoods and lies (ie nixon ban on drugs when demonizing hippies and Mexican immigrants in 60s, which through mandatory UN charts was pushed to the rest of the world even to places like India, where cannabis is a sacred plant of god Shiva).

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koonsolo 4y ago
I' not a psychiatric patient, and neither are my kids, so I don't see what drugs could do for me. I'm 43 and never had a cigarette in my mouth, and very happy that I don't have to sit in that disgusting smell in cafes anymore. Do I drink alcohol? Yes. Would I mind if my kids don't drink alcohol? No. I saw alcohol destroy families. And your statement that somehow I and my kids would be curiosities in society just because we stay away from that shit makes you look really stupid.
- pmoriarty 4y ago
  "I' not a psychiatric patient, and neither are my kids, so I don't see what drugs could do for me." Check out "Jack Herer's First Time High"[1]. (If you're curious, there are more details in the first 12 minutes of this bio on him:[2]) Also see what MDMA did for a man with Aspergers: [3] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYwedCQtW7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYwedCQtW7s [2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDRP7rv8ZXc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDRP7rv8ZXc [3] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJgWKl_vss0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJgWKl_vss0
  - koonsolo 4y ago
    Jack Herer doesn't really seem like the man I aspire to be. Sorry to disappoint, but I also don't have Aspergers.
    - pmoriarty 4y ago
      Smoking pot isn't going to make you in to Jack Herer. He's just describing some amazing experiences people who've never done it probably don't even realize are possible. And the person with Aspergers is again just simply describing experiences which are open to anyone... you don't have to have Apergers to benefit from such experiences, though of course they're not guaranteed to anyone.. nothing in life is, and different people experience these substances differently. Still, I found it interesting. Sorry you did not.
- dorfsmay 4y ago
  Congrats for not smoking and not using other destructive substances. The issue people are having here is how you're saying "I don't take drugs" and "I don't need them" as a position of judgement rather than as a conclusion of an analysis. How do you define drug? You admit drinking alcohol which as you said destroys families, and a direct correlation has been shown between alcohol consumption and cancer. You cannot use a blanket statement "I don't use drug" without defining what a drug is. If your definition is what's legal, remember that alcohol was illegal in the US at some point and that both tobacco and weed are legal today. When you say "I don't need them", do you drink coffee daily?? Do you eat pastries? If yes, why, given that they have mostly negative effect on health (very high calories, low fiber, low nutritient content) and that we don't need them? It's great to establish hygiene rules based on fact, but reconsider judging others' rules without analysing them properly (hallucinogen are typically not addictive and don't have negative health effects when used in moderate quantities) and your own choices of rules which are somewhat arbitrary (you drink alcohol which is addictive and has negative effect even in small quatities).

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koonsolo 4y ago

I' not a psychiatric patient, and neither are my kids, so I don't see what drugs could do for me. I'm 43 and never had a cigarette in my mouth, and very happy that I don't have to sit in that disgusting smell in cafes anymore. Do I drink alcohol? Yes. Would I mind if my kids don't drink alcohol? No. I saw alcohol destroy families. And your statement that somehow I and my kids would be curiosities in society just because we stay away from that shit makes you look really stupid.

pmoriarty 4y ago
"I' not a psychiatric patient, and neither are my kids, so I don't see what drugs could do for me." Check out "Jack Herer's First Time High"[1]. (If you're curious, there are more details in the first 12 minutes of this bio on him:[2]) Also see what MDMA did for a man with Aspergers: [3] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYwedCQtW7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYwedCQtW7s [2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDRP7rv8ZXc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDRP7rv8ZXc [3] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJgWKl_vss0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJgWKl_vss0
- koonsolo 4y ago
  Jack Herer doesn't really seem like the man I aspire to be. Sorry to disappoint, but I also don't have Aspergers.
  - pmoriarty 4y ago
    Smoking pot isn't going to make you in to Jack Herer. He's just describing some amazing experiences people who've never done it probably don't even realize are possible. And the person with Aspergers is again just simply describing experiences which are open to anyone... you don't have to have Apergers to benefit from such experiences, though of course they're not guaranteed to anyone.. nothing in life is, and different people experience these substances differently. Still, I found it interesting. Sorry you did not.
dorfsmay 4y ago
Congrats for not smoking and not using other destructive substances. The issue people are having here is how you're saying "I don't take drugs" and "I don't need them" as a position of judgement rather than as a conclusion of an analysis. How do you define drug? You admit drinking alcohol which as you said destroys families, and a direct correlation has been shown between alcohol consumption and cancer. You cannot use a blanket statement "I don't use drug" without defining what a drug is. If your definition is what's legal, remember that alcohol was illegal in the US at some point and that both tobacco and weed are legal today. When you say "I don't need them", do you drink coffee daily?? Do you eat pastries? If yes, why, given that they have mostly negative effect on health (very high calories, low fiber, low nutritient content) and that we don't need them? It's great to establish hygiene rules based on fact, but reconsider judging others' rules without analysing them properly (hallucinogen are typically not addictive and don't have negative health effects when used in moderate quantities) and your own choices of rules which are somewhat arbitrary (you drink alcohol which is addictive and has negative effect even in small quatities).