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OK let's look at how you communicated in this thread. Keep in mind I've been polite to you so far. 1. > You did not provide arguments. Yes I did. I wrote:

by nailer 4y ago

OK let's look at how you communicated in this thread. Keep in mind I've been polite to you so far. 1. > You did not provide arguments. Yes I did. I wrote: > > Sadly web components APIs are bizarre and unused by most web developers: https://dev.to/richharris/why-i-don-t-use-web-components-2ci https://dev.to/richharris/why-i-don-t-use-web-components-2ci... > > I am saying anything more complex than forms requires web component tech that isn't popular or liked by developers. You obviously know these are supporting arguments, because they seek to back up the statement that 'more complex apps are harder to build without frameworks'. This is high school level logic, so I will presume that rather than being unaware of what a supporting argument is, you're just being deliberately antagonistic. 2. > No, it doesn't (end of post) You misread me (see next point) and rather than responding with content (which would have cleared this up earlier) simply disagreed without supporting arguments. 3. You misread me. I wrote: > I am saying anything more complex than forms requires web component tech that isn't popular or liked by developers. Judging by your comment about frameworks not using web components (which you'd know I'm aware of, given that I posted an article by the author of Svelte about why Svelte doesn't use web components), you think I’m discussing implementing a new framework. Nobody is discussing that. The OP is making a web app, not a new framework. Implementing a web app without react or svelte would require using web components which is, as mentioned, a set of poor and unused APIs. Given 1, 2 and 3, it's obvious that you're being clearly antagonistic to someone that has been polite to you thus far, I will change how I communicate - Dmitri, you're a cunt. Sorry Dan.

dmitriid 4y ago
> Implementing a web app without react or svelte would require using web components You keep stating this as a fact with literally zero supporting arguments. No, web components are not required to build a web app. Web's largest and most successful web apps and web sites have been built before web components even became a thing and keep being built without using them. > I will change how I communicate - You are not communicating. You're presenting your personal opinions as facts.
- nailer 4y ago
  > No, web components are not required to build a web app Nobody is saying that. Nobody has ever said that. I have explicitly said the opposite since https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33635218 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33635218. You are arguing with yourself.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    > Nobody is saying that. > Nobody has ever said that. nailer, 1 day ago: "I am saying anything more complex than forms requires web component tech" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33638793 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33638793 --- nailer, 7 hours ago "Implementing a web app without react or svelte would require using web components" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33652391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33652391 --- Edit. It's also funny/sad that you say "nobody is saying that" to my comment which quotes the exact part were you're saying that.
    - nailer 4y ago
      I wrote: > I am saying anything more complex than forms requires web component tech > Implementing a web app without react or svelte would require using web components Which is true, creating anything more complex than forms *without a framework, as the OP mentions* would require web component tech. You wrote: > No, web components are not required to build a web app What I wrote is not the same thing as saying "web components are required to build a web app". Occam's razor: I suspect you genuinely made a mistake, and may speak English as a second language, but also are very young or not well developed, so rather than admit the error you're trying to argue with me about something I never stated.
      - dmitriid 4y ago
        > Which is true, creating anything more complex than forms without a framework, as the OP mentions would require web component tech. For the third time you present this opinion as undeniable fact, when it is not true in any way, shape, or form. > What I wrote is not the same thing as saying "web components are required to build a web app". You literally just said that. > I suspect you genuinely made a mistake, and may speak English as a second language, but also are very young or not well developed, Ah yes. First it was calling me a cunt. Now it's ad hominem attacks. > so rather than admit the error you're trying to argue with me about something I never stated. Literally, again and again, you insist that complex app require web components (the question of frameworks is entirely irrelevant). When I answer that no, they are not required, you are pretending you provide arguments, calling me a cunt, or calling me "not well developed". Again: Even if you build stuff without frameworks, web components are not required. To see proof that they are not required it's enough to look at literally tens of thousands of complex web sites built without them before they ever existed, or since. Yes, tens of thousands of complex sites that were built (and are being built) without web components or web frameworks. Moreover, the only reason those web frameworks exist is that people reached a certain level of complexity, and packaged that complexity in a single generic solution, and still they don't require web components. But sure, do go on stating your bullshit opinion as fact with zero supporting arguments while calling people cunts. This will show the world how well developed you are.

by nailer 4y ago

dmitriid 4y ago

> Implementing a web app without react or svelte would require using web components You keep stating this as a fact with literally zero supporting arguments. No, web components are not required to build a web app. Web's largest and most successful web apps and web sites have been built before web components even became a thing and keep being built without using them. > I will change how I communicate - You are not communicating. You're presenting your personal opinions as facts.

nailer 4y ago
> No, web components are not required to build a web app Nobody is saying that. Nobody has ever said that. I have explicitly said the opposite since https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33635218 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33635218. You are arguing with yourself.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > Nobody is saying that. > Nobody has ever said that. nailer, 1 day ago: "I am saying anything more complex than forms requires web component tech" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33638793 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33638793 --- nailer, 7 hours ago "Implementing a web app without react or svelte would require using web components" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33652391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33652391 --- Edit. It's also funny/sad that you say "nobody is saying that" to my comment which quotes the exact part were you're saying that.
  - nailer 4y ago
    I wrote: > I am saying anything more complex than forms requires web component tech > Implementing a web app without react or svelte would require using web components Which is true, creating anything more complex than forms *without a framework, as the OP mentions* would require web component tech. You wrote: > No, web components are not required to build a web app What I wrote is not the same thing as saying "web components are required to build a web app". Occam's razor: I suspect you genuinely made a mistake, and may speak English as a second language, but also are very young or not well developed, so rather than admit the error you're trying to argue with me about something I never stated.
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      > Which is true, creating anything more complex than forms without a framework, as the OP mentions would require web component tech. For the third time you present this opinion as undeniable fact, when it is not true in any way, shape, or form. > What I wrote is not the same thing as saying "web components are required to build a web app". You literally just said that. > I suspect you genuinely made a mistake, and may speak English as a second language, but also are very young or not well developed, Ah yes. First it was calling me a cunt. Now it's ad hominem attacks. > so rather than admit the error you're trying to argue with me about something I never stated. Literally, again and again, you insist that complex app require web components (the question of frameworks is entirely irrelevant). When I answer that no, they are not required, you are pretending you provide arguments, calling me a cunt, or calling me "not well developed". Again: Even if you build stuff without frameworks, web components are not required. To see proof that they are not required it's enough to look at literally tens of thousands of complex web sites built without them before they ever existed, or since. Yes, tens of thousands of complex sites that were built (and are being built) without web components or web frameworks. Moreover, the only reason those web frameworks exist is that people reached a certain level of complexity, and packaged that complexity in a single generic solution, and still they don't require web components. But sure, do go on stating your bullshit opinion as fact with zero supporting arguments while calling people cunts. This will show the world how well developed you are.