> They have been operating since 2011 and 2012 respectively. Madoff appeared to be operating well and meeting all withdrawl demands from the 1970s until 2008.

> They have been operating since 2011 and 2012 respectively. Madoff appeared to be operating well and meeting all withdrawl demands from the 1970s until 2008. FTX appeared to be operating successfully until a week before it collapsed. We'll see when some event forces transparency. Usually it's a collapse, but it could be a lawsuit with discovery for another reason.