5 ms·

The timeline you drew here is wack He started firing people day 1 and bragging about it online. Of course his remaining employees are going to shit talk him.

The timeline you drew here is wack He started firing people day 1 and bragging about it online. Of course his remaining employees are going to shit talk him. The “ultimatum” sure as hell wasn’t in response to this either, I don’t know if you are implying that or not. He pulled this exact same stunt at Tesla just a few months ago. The dude is a raging asshole surrounded by yes men. If you value your health and your family you should not work for this man

ShredKazoo 4y ago
I searched for the Tesla ultimatum you refer to. It seems to have been different, specifically saying execs couldn't work remotely: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-01/musk-s-tesla-ultimatum-return-to-office-or-work-somewhere-else?leadSource=uverify%20wall https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-01/musk-s-te... Contrast w/ Twitter ultimatum: https://twitter.com/donie/status/1592859900941852674 https://twitter.com/donie/status/1592859900941852674 I think the Twitter ultimatum is the kind of thing you send if you suspect most employees don't support your leadership / are not pulling their weight. Similar to the Zappos philosophy of offering a generous severance to everyone who quits, in order to have an office full of enthusiastic employees.
- waiseristy 4y ago
  What are you talking about? You are completely fabricating a narrative here. > “Everyone at Tesla is required to spend a minimum of 40 hours in the office per week,” Tesla is RTO. Quit defending this billionaires psychopathic behavior. This is not a healthy way to run a company
  - ShredKazoo 4y ago
    I guess I over-indexed on the "Tesla Execs" in the headline. I don't think requiring 40 hours in office makes you "psychopathic". People can quit if they don't like it shrug
    - waiseristy 4y ago
      They were a remote-first org dude. Many had no childcare set up, long commutes, or were on H1Bs as well. This isn’t a “if they don’t like it, quit.” Type of situation. It’s being manipulated into padding the ego of a billionaire with no gain. I hope you don’t manage a team or have any responsibility for the well-being of others. I’m quite shocked at how little sympathy you have for strangers
      - ShredKazoo 4y ago
        My statement referred to Tesla. I agree that it sucks for Twitter employees who depended on remote work arrangements. However, 7500 people is way too much staff in my opinion. As I mentioned, I worked at one of the world's biggest websites and it had about 1% of that staff. Realistically, if an unprofitable company is getting acquired, the acquirer is most likely going to cut a lot of positions. One way to do this is to be really demanding and let people self-select out of the company. 3 months severance is a decent period of time to find a new job. Remember many/most of these people are in the global upper class https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/21/are-you-in-the-global-middle-class-find-out-with-our-income-calculator/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/21/are-you-in-... In the grand scheme of things, they aren't suffering that much

ShredKazoo 4y ago

I searched for the Tesla ultimatum you refer to. It seems to have been different, specifically saying execs couldn't work remotely: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-01/musk-s-tesla-ultimatum-return-to-office-or-work-somewhere-else?leadSource=uverify%20wall https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-01/musk-s-te... Contrast w/ Twitter ultimatum: https://twitter.com/donie/status/1592859900941852674 https://twitter.com/donie/status/1592859900941852674 I think the Twitter ultimatum is the kind of thing you send if you suspect most employees don't support your leadership / are not pulling their weight. Similar to the Zappos philosophy of offering a generous severance to everyone who quits, in order to have an office full of enthusiastic employees.

waiseristy 4y ago
What are you talking about? You are completely fabricating a narrative here. > “Everyone at Tesla is required to spend a minimum of 40 hours in the office per week,” Tesla is RTO. Quit defending this billionaires psychopathic behavior. This is not a healthy way to run a company
- ShredKazoo 4y ago
  I guess I over-indexed on the "Tesla Execs" in the headline. I don't think requiring 40 hours in office makes you "psychopathic". People can quit if they don't like it shrug
  - waiseristy 4y ago
    They were a remote-first org dude. Many had no childcare set up, long commutes, or were on H1Bs as well. This isn’t a “if they don’t like it, quit.” Type of situation. It’s being manipulated into padding the ego of a billionaire with no gain. I hope you don’t manage a team or have any responsibility for the well-being of others. I’m quite shocked at how little sympathy you have for strangers
    - ShredKazoo 4y ago
      My statement referred to Tesla. I agree that it sucks for Twitter employees who depended on remote work arrangements. However, 7500 people is way too much staff in my opinion. As I mentioned, I worked at one of the world's biggest websites and it had about 1% of that staff. Realistically, if an unprofitable company is getting acquired, the acquirer is most likely going to cut a lot of positions. One way to do this is to be really demanding and let people self-select out of the company. 3 months severance is a decent period of time to find a new job. Remember many/most of these people are in the global upper class https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/21/are-you-in-the-global-middle-class-find-out-with-our-income-calculator/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/21/are-you-in-... In the grand scheme of things, they aren't suffering that much