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> modern liberals against freedom of speech Can you please give me specific examples of speech that modern liberals are against?

ShredKazoo 4y ago
An obvious bone of contention would be whether Trump should get to have an account or not. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33652055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33652055
- consumer451 4y ago
  Companies can choose to whom and what they choose to provide a platform, can they not? For example, Elon Musk has owned Twitter for enough time to have re-instated @realdonaldtrump, yet he has not. Why is that?
  - ShredKazoo 4y ago
    The core of my argument is when Elon tweets about how he's in favor of freedom of speech, it makes many liberals squirm. The argument doesn't depend on these sort of details related to whether "freedom of speech" is a purely legal concept, vs one that also makes sense in the context of a social media platform.
    - consumer451 4y ago
      Since in reality, not even 4chan allows absolute free speech I see this whole thing as either disingenuous or naive. > The argument doesn't depend on these sort of details I would argue that without details arguments are just hand wavy.
    - consumer451 4y ago
      Separately, > ... freedom of speech, it makes many liberals squirm. I think this meme can be quickly disproved by looking at political subreddits. All right wing subs of which I'm aware have rules which filter out speech which does not toe the party line. I find the reality of the freedom with which I am allowed to discuss my ideas in righty subs to be extremely hypocritical when they are supposedly all about "free speech."
benjaminwootton 4y ago
Covid - if you question the efficacy of masks, vaccines, lockdowns etc then you should immediately be deplatformed.
- nivenkos 4y ago
  And you being downvoted proves the point. It's the same in Europe with the refugee policy, if you dare question that maybe it isn't best for Europe to blindly accept tens of millions of refugees from American wars whilst our economy is in complete freefall, you are branded as racist and cancelled.

ShredKazoo 4y ago

An obvious bone of contention would be whether Trump should get to have an account or not. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33652055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33652055

consumer451 4y ago
Companies can choose to whom and what they choose to provide a platform, can they not? For example, Elon Musk has owned Twitter for enough time to have re-instated @realdonaldtrump, yet he has not. Why is that?
- ShredKazoo 4y ago
  The core of my argument is when Elon tweets about how he's in favor of freedom of speech, it makes many liberals squirm. The argument doesn't depend on these sort of details related to whether "freedom of speech" is a purely legal concept, vs one that also makes sense in the context of a social media platform.
  - consumer451 4y ago
    Since in reality, not even 4chan allows absolute free speech I see this whole thing as either disingenuous or naive. > The argument doesn't depend on these sort of details I would argue that without details arguments are just hand wavy.
  - consumer451 4y ago
    Separately, > ... freedom of speech, it makes many liberals squirm. I think this meme can be quickly disproved by looking at political subreddits. All right wing subs of which I'm aware have rules which filter out speech which does not toe the party line. I find the reality of the freedom with which I am allowed to discuss my ideas in righty subs to be extremely hypocritical when they are supposedly all about "free speech."

benjaminwootton 4y ago

Covid - if you question the efficacy of masks, vaccines, lockdowns etc then you should immediately be deplatformed.

nivenkos 4y ago
And you being downvoted proves the point. It's the same in Europe with the refugee policy, if you dare question that maybe it isn't best for Europe to blindly accept tens of millions of refugees from American wars whilst our economy is in complete freefall, you are branded as racist and cancelled.