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The rumor is something like 75%, which would definitely explain the panic actions. This also means they don't have to specifically cut off badges for laid off p

The rumor is something like 75%, which would definitely explain the panic actions. This also means they don't have to specifically cut off badges for laid off people, it gives them time to decide who's actually gone.

rurp 4y ago
Does this mean that 75% of the remaining staff declined to stay on? If I'm understanding that right -- wow. Isn't Elon still trying to hire people back from the last fumbled layoff?
- function_seven 4y ago
  I read it as 75% decided to ignore that email. I guess one way to interpret that is that they decided to quit, but I don’t see it that way. It’s more like an ultimatum that they refused to respond to. Checking that box was agreeing to work “hardcore” and add a bunch of hours to your day. I imagine a lot of people receiving that email guessed that their colleagues would also ignore the box and figured “he won’t fire all of us, right?”.
  - philosopher1234 4y ago
    Why not interpret it as “after all this, and if that’s the future, I’d rather leave”?
    - function_seven 4y ago
      Oh for sure. Some portion of non-box-checkers probably did think that. But 75% is such a high non-response rate that I’m betting another large cohort were just aggressively apathetic to the stupid email. Won’t play the game, but will collect a paycheck and do normal work as long as they’re allowed to.
      - netsharc 4y ago
        Yeah, the 75% might have learned that the new management is really fucking clueless and the chaos isn't stopping soon. Even if they clicked "Yes", chances are tomorrow there'll be another fucking stunt and you're straight back to panicking about losing your job anyway. Hey Elon, how about this: fire employees with long names, because they take longer to type in their login, and that's inefficient!
  - shock-value 4y ago
    I think it’s a bit of a point of no return for both sides. Musk wanted all chips on the table, got them, and it turns out his hand isn’t as strong as he thought. There is no going back to status quo after this email stunt, it literally made clear that the majority of employees are just sticking around until they find something else, and would even leave sooner if at all pushed to. This is a sinking ship.
  - jfoutz 4y ago
    I have no firsthand knowledge, but from the screenshot alleged to be the email, it did look a lot like a phishing email.
    - threeseed 4y ago
      They have internal Slack channels for people to check if it's real or not.
  - rurp 4y ago
    This all seems plausible to me, but if this is the case doesn't it weaken Elon quite a bit going forward? If a boss at any company says "Everybody do this simple thing or you're fired", and a bunch of employees respond by rolling their eyes and walking away, that manager has to either fire a bunch of people or become a joke. Or maybe both happen, issuing an ultimatum like that is usually pretty dumb.
- chris_wot 4y ago
  Can you imagine paying 75% of your workforce 3 months worth of pay immediately?
  - kevingadd 4y ago
    My understanding is that laws covering mass layoffs have resulted in a plan to keep them employed normally for 2+ months (they just aren't showing up to work and don't have access to systems), and then the severance would be a lump sum after that. So I don't think Twitter would be liable to pay out 2-3 months of salary immediately, but that severance package is still going to be a big dent in the company's funds when it comes due in a couple months.
- JohnTHaller 4y ago
  Word going around is as high as 80% of some departments are opting for the severance. And the blue check team seems to have quit today along with some critical infrastructure folks.
  - bongoman37 4y ago
    I can imagine that the only folks saying yes would be folks on visa and those who cannot be without health insurance or those who like working for abusive folks (there is a not insignificant number who does prefer some level of abuse in their life). For folks on visas things can get sticky rapidly without a job and they may not want to jeopardize anything until they've lined up the next job which takes a bit of time especially around holiday season.
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bydlocoder 4y ago
Did he actually send such a letter to everyone? That's really a dumb move cause there's no reason for key engineers to stay - they have millions of dollars and will be immediately hired if they want to.
randyrand 4y ago
on Blind, 42% of 180 respondents chose “No” (leave)
johntb86 4y ago
https://twitter.com/HaysKali/status/1593382216783912960 https://twitter.com/HaysKali/status/1593382216783912960 claims 40-50% are staying on.

rurp 4y ago

Does this mean that 75% of the remaining staff declined to stay on? If I'm understanding that right -- wow. Isn't Elon still trying to hire people back from the last fumbled layoff?

function_seven 4y ago
I read it as 75% decided to ignore that email. I guess one way to interpret that is that they decided to quit, but I don’t see it that way. It’s more like an ultimatum that they refused to respond to. Checking that box was agreeing to work “hardcore” and add a bunch of hours to your day. I imagine a lot of people receiving that email guessed that their colleagues would also ignore the box and figured “he won’t fire all of us, right?”.
- philosopher1234 4y ago
  Why not interpret it as “after all this, and if that’s the future, I’d rather leave”?
  - function_seven 4y ago
    Oh for sure. Some portion of non-box-checkers probably did think that. But 75% is such a high non-response rate that I’m betting another large cohort were just aggressively apathetic to the stupid email. Won’t play the game, but will collect a paycheck and do normal work as long as they’re allowed to.
    - netsharc 4y ago
      Yeah, the 75% might have learned that the new management is really fucking clueless and the chaos isn't stopping soon. Even if they clicked "Yes", chances are tomorrow there'll be another fucking stunt and you're straight back to panicking about losing your job anyway. Hey Elon, how about this: fire employees with long names, because they take longer to type in their login, and that's inefficient!
- shock-value 4y ago
  I think it’s a bit of a point of no return for both sides. Musk wanted all chips on the table, got them, and it turns out his hand isn’t as strong as he thought. There is no going back to status quo after this email stunt, it literally made clear that the majority of employees are just sticking around until they find something else, and would even leave sooner if at all pushed to. This is a sinking ship.
- jfoutz 4y ago
  I have no firsthand knowledge, but from the screenshot alleged to be the email, it did look a lot like a phishing email.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    They have internal Slack channels for people to check if it's real or not.
- rurp 4y ago
  This all seems plausible to me, but if this is the case doesn't it weaken Elon quite a bit going forward? If a boss at any company says "Everybody do this simple thing or you're fired", and a bunch of employees respond by rolling their eyes and walking away, that manager has to either fire a bunch of people or become a joke. Or maybe both happen, issuing an ultimatum like that is usually pretty dumb.
chris_wot 4y ago
Can you imagine paying 75% of your workforce 3 months worth of pay immediately?
- kevingadd 4y ago
  My understanding is that laws covering mass layoffs have resulted in a plan to keep them employed normally for 2+ months (they just aren't showing up to work and don't have access to systems), and then the severance would be a lump sum after that. So I don't think Twitter would be liable to pay out 2-3 months of salary immediately, but that severance package is still going to be a big dent in the company's funds when it comes due in a couple months.
JohnTHaller 4y ago
Word going around is as high as 80% of some departments are opting for the severance. And the blue check team seems to have quit today along with some critical infrastructure folks.
- bongoman37 4y ago
  I can imagine that the only folks saying yes would be folks on visa and those who cannot be without health insurance or those who like working for abusive folks (there is a not insignificant number who does prefer some level of abuse in their life). For folks on visas things can get sticky rapidly without a job and they may not want to jeopardize anything until they've lined up the next job which takes a bit of time especially around holiday season.
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bydlocoder 4y ago

Did he actually send such a letter to everyone? That's really a dumb move cause there's no reason for key engineers to stay - they have millions of dollars and will be immediately hired if they want to.

randyrand 4y ago

on Blind, 42% of 180 respondents chose “No” (leave)

johntb86 4y ago

https://twitter.com/HaysKali/status/1593382216783912960 https://twitter.com/HaysKali/status/1593382216783912960 claims 40-50% are staying on.