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I lived in Siena for a while, and every now and then I would drop by St. Catherine's crypt for a not so gentle memento: https://imgur.com/B7snnCR https://imgur

by trosi 4y ago

I lived in Siena for a while, and every now and then I would drop by St. Catherine's crypt for a not so gentle memento: https://imgur.com/B7snnCR https://imgur.com/B7snnCR Rough translation: As you are, so I once was As I am, so you will be

mysterypie 4y ago
Let me add back the newline that seems to have been removed: As you are, so I once was As I am, so you will be
- jgtrosh 4y ago
  Maybe it's just due to my app, but your apparent failure to improve it seems quite meta Edit: yeah it works on the website, my app (materialistic) tends to gobble newlines in quotes
fasteo 4y ago
Much more "convicing" that memento mori if you ask me
- Lio 4y ago
  Memento mori is just the ultimate reduction of the sentiment. The whole stoic philosophy behind it is interesting. It's not just that you will die no matter how long you can put it off for. Once you are gone all that's left of you will be memories and descendants. Even if you are remembered for a long time, like for example someone as famous as Marcus Aurelius, those memories aren't you they're just a reduction. You're gone forever. You could extend that to consider the self you were 10 years ago. That you is also gone forever. All in all it can be a freeing thing to contemplate. All you have is the right now so enjoy it or at the very least bare it.
jamesgreenleaf 4y ago
> Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
- taneq 4y ago
  Huh, I always figured the Banks novel was named for a quote. Pardon my ignorance of the classics, but where’s it from?
  - jamesgreenleaf 4y ago
    It's from T. S. Eliot's "The Wasteland": IV. Death by Water Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead, Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell And the profit and loss. A current under sea Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell He passed the stages of his age and youth Entering the whirlpool. Gentile or Jew O you who turn the wheel and look to windward, Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you. I get Phlebas mixed up with those lines from Shakespeare's "The Tempest", where we get the idiom "sea change": Full fathom five thy father lies, Of his bones are coral made, Those are pearls that were his eyes, Nothing of him that doth fade, But doth suffer a sea-change, into something rich and strange, Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell, Ding-dong. Hark! now I hear them, ding-dong, bell.
    - dredmorbius 4y ago
      I'd just realised that "The Tempest" is where the phrase "sea-change" must come from. Wikipedia confirms: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_change_(idiom) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_change_(idiom)>
    - jz391 4y ago
      So another Banks' novel - "Look to Windward" - title came from this poem

by trosi 4y ago

mysterypie 4y ago

Let me add back the newline that seems to have been removed: As you are, so I once was As I am, so you will be

jgtrosh 4y ago
Maybe it's just due to my app, but your apparent failure to improve it seems quite meta Edit: yeah it works on the website, my app (materialistic) tends to gobble newlines in quotes

fasteo 4y ago

Much more "convicing" that memento mori if you ask me

Lio 4y ago
Memento mori is just the ultimate reduction of the sentiment. The whole stoic philosophy behind it is interesting. It's not just that you will die no matter how long you can put it off for. Once you are gone all that's left of you will be memories and descendants. Even if you are remembered for a long time, like for example someone as famous as Marcus Aurelius, those memories aren't you they're just a reduction. You're gone forever. You could extend that to consider the self you were 10 years ago. That you is also gone forever. All in all it can be a freeing thing to contemplate. All you have is the right now so enjoy it or at the very least bare it.

jamesgreenleaf 4y ago

> Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

taneq 4y ago
Huh, I always figured the Banks novel was named for a quote. Pardon my ignorance of the classics, but where’s it from?
- jamesgreenleaf 4y ago
  It's from T. S. Eliot's "The Wasteland": IV. Death by Water Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead, Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell And the profit and loss. A current under sea Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell He passed the stages of his age and youth Entering the whirlpool. Gentile or Jew O you who turn the wheel and look to windward, Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you. I get Phlebas mixed up with those lines from Shakespeare's "The Tempest", where we get the idiom "sea change": Full fathom five thy father lies, Of his bones are coral made, Those are pearls that were his eyes, Nothing of him that doth fade, But doth suffer a sea-change, into something rich and strange, Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell, Ding-dong. Hark! now I hear them, ding-dong, bell.
  - dredmorbius 4y ago
    I'd just realised that "The Tempest" is where the phrase "sea-change" must come from. Wikipedia confirms: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_change_(idiom) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_change_(idiom)>
  - jz391 4y ago
    So another Banks' novel - "Look to Windward" - title came from this poem