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So I really hate TikTok I think it is a major security risk; however I've recently become worried about the actual mechanism of enforcement getting rid of TikTo

So I really hate TikTok I think it is a major security risk; however I've recently become worried about the actual mechanism of enforcement getting rid of TikTok. It seems however we do it, blacklisting IPs associated with TikTok, messing with DNS, or pretty much any other actual enforcement mechanism sets a dangerous precedent. I then wonder what happens if we allow the government to start disallowing certain apps for "National Security" reasons, just like when we decided that the NSA should be able to listen to any electronic communication without a warrant to "stop terrorism". Don't get me wrong I despise TikTok and the CCP and think it is bad for mental health and is a weapon of psychological warfare by the CCP, but I am worried about the precedent set by allowing the federal government to ban or make illegal an app and how that will be abused in the future.

mrits 4y ago
If TikTok decides to stay up even when we don't let US companies advertise, you know it was more of a an issue than we originally thought.
mc32 4y ago
Same. I don’t like the app/service and think it’s detrimental to health. But even potentially worse would be the precedent of banning something like this. I believe the gov should better govern advertising and algorithms than outright banning something completely. Admittedly it’s a thorny issue.
ouid 4y ago
I think that exceptions like tik tok can be safely excised by naming the organization in legislation. No generalizations to draw from legislation that picks on tiktok by name
- kneebonian 4y ago
  But that's no longer rule by law that's rule by mob outrage or by the security apparatus depending on who you believe wants TikTok banned. Is it really appropriate to give the government the power to arbitrarily name certain companies to no longer exist or operate within the US because the government said so? How long before this power is used against Parler or some other company because people don't like it. Or WikiLeaks or other sources of inconvenience and upset to the those running things? Should 4chan be allowed to exist?
  - ouid 4y ago
    >Is it really appropriate to give the government the power to arbitrarily name certain companies to no longer exist or operate within the US because the government said so? Absolutely. The mandate of the government is granted by the people. Congress acts with respect to specific businesses all the time. Especially to their benefit.
- Spivak 4y ago
  The generalization is that such legislation is constitutional if allowed to be enforced. Then nothing prevents another bill from coming through.
- bdw5204 4y ago
  Legislation that picks on a specific person by name (remember under US law, a corporation is a "person") is called a "bill of attainder"[0] and is explicitly banned by Article I, Section 9 of the United States Constitution because it was one of the practices of the British government that the 13 colonies were revolting over. It is also banned by all 50 state constitutions. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_attainder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_attainder
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MichaelCollins 4y ago
> It seems however we do it, blacklisting IPs associated with TikTok, messing with DNS, Thanks to Apple and Google having a stranglehold on the apps people can run on their phones, an effective ban on tiktok in America is much easier than any of that. (Yeah you can sideload apps on android, and technically on iOS too, but I think we all know that being booted from both those app stores is a death sentence for any popular app.)

mrits 4y ago

If TikTok decides to stay up even when we don't let US companies advertise, you know it was more of a an issue than we originally thought.

mc32 4y ago

Same. I don’t like the app/service and think it’s detrimental to health. But even potentially worse would be the precedent of banning something like this. I believe the gov should better govern advertising and algorithms than outright banning something completely. Admittedly it’s a thorny issue.

ouid 4y ago

I think that exceptions like tik tok can be safely excised by naming the organization in legislation. No generalizations to draw from legislation that picks on tiktok by name

kneebonian 4y ago
But that's no longer rule by law that's rule by mob outrage or by the security apparatus depending on who you believe wants TikTok banned. Is it really appropriate to give the government the power to arbitrarily name certain companies to no longer exist or operate within the US because the government said so? How long before this power is used against Parler or some other company because people don't like it. Or WikiLeaks or other sources of inconvenience and upset to the those running things? Should 4chan be allowed to exist?
- ouid 4y ago
  >Is it really appropriate to give the government the power to arbitrarily name certain companies to no longer exist or operate within the US because the government said so? Absolutely. The mandate of the government is granted by the people. Congress acts with respect to specific businesses all the time. Especially to their benefit.
Spivak 4y ago
The generalization is that such legislation is constitutional if allowed to be enforced. Then nothing prevents another bill from coming through.
bdw5204 4y ago
Legislation that picks on a specific person by name (remember under US law, a corporation is a "person") is called a "bill of attainder"[0] and is explicitly banned by Article I, Section 9 of the United States Constitution because it was one of the practices of the British government that the 13 colonies were revolting over. It is also banned by all 50 state constitutions. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_attainder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_attainder

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MichaelCollins 4y ago

> It seems however we do it, blacklisting IPs associated with TikTok, messing with DNS, Thanks to Apple and Google having a stranglehold on the apps people can run on their phones, an effective ban on tiktok in America is much easier than any of that. (Yeah you can sideload apps on android, and technically on iOS too, but I think we all know that being booted from both those app stores is a death sentence for any popular app.)