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> Personally, I think discretion, as long as it’s not abused, should be available to decision makers. > as long as it’s not abused That ship has long since sa

> Personally, I think discretion, as long as it’s not abused, should be available to decision makers. > as long as it’s not abused That ship has long since sailed. The police have proven more times than I can count that they absolutely cannot be trusted not to abuse this.

mc32 4y ago
Right, so you give some leeway but have oversight. It very well could be that the PBA cards are given out too freely. Maybe officers let too many people with broken lights off the hook or tear up too many parking tickets. I definitely would like to see better parking enforcement and more official cars get towed. I'd be all for that, no question.
- joshstrange 4y ago
  > It very well could be that the PBA cards are given out too freely. I can't see a legitimate reason for PBA cards to be given out at all. If leeway is going to be given it should be given based on the situation (not the person). Friends/family of the police should not be given more leeway.
  - mc32 4y ago
    I have no problem with that. However, I guess in theory, someone is vouching for the cardholder --so it provides more information than just giving someone a lookover. Kind of like a "precheck".
    - runnerup 4y ago
      That makes no fucking sense.
- ender341341 4y ago
  For things related to car maintenance I think there should be a special class of tickets available, a "Provide proof you fixed the problem by {date} or pay {fine}$", they already informally exist (I've known a few people who got a ticket along with the officer's email and told if they provide proof the officer will cancel the ticket). This would take needing discretion out of the question, and also provide better incentive to the driver than "I hope the same cop doesn't pull me over again and remember they already gave me a warning".
  - secabeen 4y ago
    California has this, we call it a fix-it ticket. There's an administrative fee of $25, but that's all: https://www.rpmlawca.com/blog/2020/january/how-to-handle-a-fix-it-ticket/ https://www.rpmlawca.com/blog/2020/january/how-to-handle-a-f...
horsawlarway 4y ago
The space that allows people to be awful is the same space that allows them to be wonderful - discretion to step outside the bounds of the laws as written and act on them as they believe to be moral or ethical. I won't disagree with you on the point that we have numerous examples of police abusing this. I will note that we are primed by our current medium to only see the examples of them abusing this.

mc32 4y ago

Right, so you give some leeway but have oversight. It very well could be that the PBA cards are given out too freely. Maybe officers let too many people with broken lights off the hook or tear up too many parking tickets. I definitely would like to see better parking enforcement and more official cars get towed. I'd be all for that, no question.

joshstrange 4y ago
> It very well could be that the PBA cards are given out too freely. I can't see a legitimate reason for PBA cards to be given out at all. If leeway is going to be given it should be given based on the situation (not the person). Friends/family of the police should not be given more leeway.
- mc32 4y ago
  I have no problem with that. However, I guess in theory, someone is vouching for the cardholder --so it provides more information than just giving someone a lookover. Kind of like a "precheck".
  - runnerup 4y ago
    That makes no fucking sense.
ender341341 4y ago
For things related to car maintenance I think there should be a special class of tickets available, a "Provide proof you fixed the problem by {date} or pay {fine}$", they already informally exist (I've known a few people who got a ticket along with the officer's email and told if they provide proof the officer will cancel the ticket). This would take needing discretion out of the question, and also provide better incentive to the driver than "I hope the same cop doesn't pull me over again and remember they already gave me a warning".
- secabeen 4y ago
  California has this, we call it a fix-it ticket. There's an administrative fee of $25, but that's all: https://www.rpmlawca.com/blog/2020/january/how-to-handle-a-fix-it-ticket/ https://www.rpmlawca.com/blog/2020/january/how-to-handle-a-f...

horsawlarway 4y ago

The space that allows people to be awful is the same space that allows them to be wonderful - discretion to step outside the bounds of the laws as written and act on them as they believe to be moral or ethical. I won't disagree with you on the point that we have numerous examples of police abusing this. I will note that we are primed by our current medium to only see the examples of them abusing this.