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It's a cute arty way to draw attention to a huge problem, but lax legislation and penalties are the real culprit here. Net inspection and huge fines would make

It's a cute arty way to draw attention to a huge problem, but lax legislation and penalties are the real culprit here. Net inspection and huge fines would make industrial scale strip mine fishing economically very risky. Again, the issue is that no one can police the offshore globalists who hide behind a veneer of philanthropy, woke virtue signaling and greenwashing.

ajmurmann 4y ago
Why are you blaming globalism for this? I'd argue that a lack of globalism is at fault here. Fishing in international waters is a problem that can only be solved by the global community. The problem here is that corporations and monetary interests act globally and always will while governments aren't.
- kuhewa 4y ago
  Very few places outside of national EEZs where boulders would affect IUU fishing. Not much bottom trawling of sensitive areas other than a few seamounts. You have a point about intl management of high seas resources but globalism can result in sanctioned pillaging of nationally sovereign waters. Like "coastal African country, we (the EU) won't buy your peanuts if you don't give us rights to trawl, even though we aren't doing the scientific monitoring required to maintain sustainability for you like we would in our national waters we've already exhausted"
rthomas6 4y ago
No, this is incorrect. They already do regulate it. It is already illegal. The problem is the regulations and penalties are pretty hard to enforce when any ship in the world can go anywhere else. Italy can pass all the regulations it likes, and a Chinese ship full of somewhat desperate people can illegally fish there anyway with whatever equipment they brought with them, until the ship gets individually caught. And please note: Italy's coastline is ... Big. Really big.
- olivermarks 4y ago
  ->No, this is incorrect. They already do regulate it. It is already illegal/ Who regulates 'it'? My point was that ships can fish anywhere but if all nation states enforced tight laws about nets the economic penalties would greatly lessen the practice.
  - rthomas6 4y ago
    This is a tragedy of the commons situation. The illegal fishermen are coming mostly from poor places that don't have the resources or the political will to enforce the rules. They then go fish in places that don't have the resources to enforce their laws.

ajmurmann 4y ago

Why are you blaming globalism for this? I'd argue that a lack of globalism is at fault here. Fishing in international waters is a problem that can only be solved by the global community. The problem here is that corporations and monetary interests act globally and always will while governments aren't.

kuhewa 4y ago
Very few places outside of national EEZs where boulders would affect IUU fishing. Not much bottom trawling of sensitive areas other than a few seamounts. You have a point about intl management of high seas resources but globalism can result in sanctioned pillaging of nationally sovereign waters. Like "coastal African country, we (the EU) won't buy your peanuts if you don't give us rights to trawl, even though we aren't doing the scientific monitoring required to maintain sustainability for you like we would in our national waters we've already exhausted"

rthomas6 4y ago

No, this is incorrect. They already do regulate it. It is already illegal. The problem is the regulations and penalties are pretty hard to enforce when any ship in the world can go anywhere else. Italy can pass all the regulations it likes, and a Chinese ship full of somewhat desperate people can illegally fish there anyway with whatever equipment they brought with them, until the ship gets individually caught. And please note: Italy's coastline is ... Big. Really big.

olivermarks 4y ago
->No, this is incorrect. They already do regulate it. It is already illegal/ Who regulates 'it'? My point was that ships can fish anywhere but if all nation states enforced tight laws about nets the economic penalties would greatly lessen the practice.
- rthomas6 4y ago
  This is a tragedy of the commons situation. The illegal fishermen are coming mostly from poor places that don't have the resources or the political will to enforce the rules. They then go fish in places that don't have the resources to enforce their laws.