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> Arnu said both his homes were raided “without warning” on Nov. 3 “by 15-20 agents in full riot gear.” The agents broke open the doors while Arnu was in the Ra

by thih9 4y ago

> Arnu said both his homes were raided “without warning” on Nov. 3 “by 15-20 agents in full riot gear.” The agents broke open the doors while Arnu was in the Rachel home and his girlfriend at the Las Vegas one, and then they “were detained and treated in the most disrespectful way.” I realise that flying drones over restricted airspaces is not allowed. At the same time it doesn't feel like this kind of treatment was justified. Wouldn't three or four police officers (and no riot gear) be enough?

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paganel 4y ago
My understanding is that as long as they (the security forces) have already bought that equipment then they might as well use it. It doesn’t really matter if said equipment is best suited for the task at hand or not.
pionar 4y ago
You underestimate how much cops like playing with their toys.
- 1attice 4y ago
  "Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat."
chmod775 4y ago
What where they even hoping to find? Since this was about publicly distributed video, they should have already had all the evidence they need. Most civilized places the only thing coming through his door would've been a letter informing him about his upcoming appointment at a local police station.
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- unnouinceput 4y ago
  It was a message. Can't you read between the lines? Between Snowden, Assange, Manning and this guy the US government message is very clear: "Don't stir my shit or you're gonna be sorry for the rest of your life"
  - giantg2 4y ago
    That seems fairly true. Are there any repercussions for Drake (Snowden predecessor) after winning his case?
nscalf 4y ago
Let me play devil's advocate here, I've known a number of law enforcement/military individuals and have asked them the same question. Here's the situation they paint to me. Imagine you have to go arrest someone, essentially using force to limit their freedom. You know virtually nothing about this person, except that they are the type of person who will break laws serious enough to get arrested. Now, do you want some protection from a gun, or no? And do you want to go there with 1 other person? Or as many as you can get. It seems very excessive from the outside, because we have full knowledge of the situation at the outcome. When you go into these situations, you're essentially blind, so you're exposing yourself to the entire risk profile.
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  … and then the police gave the detained person a warm bathrobe and a pair of slippers.
- breck 4y ago
  Yes this is it. People don't realize how many police officers are murdered each year (more than 1 per week). It's just a precaution. I mean, don't get me wrong I think going after a news site is bull shit and I think we should all rally around this guy, but it was not these officers' decision to arrest them and I don't think it was excessive, it was safe (for everyone). In other countries we wouldn't hear anything about excessive force (because the jaw of the one being arrested would have been broken).
  - adrienthebo 4y ago
    In 2021 more than 140 firefighters died, coming out to more than 3 a week. First responder jobs are dangerous which is why there's training to reduce the danger. Having an officer grab them a pair of pants and a shirt wouldn't imperil scene safety and the fact that the raid team couldn't bother says plenty.
    - breck 4y ago
      have you ever been a police officer? i haven't, but ive been in enough situations where guns were pulled that i know when someone doesnt know what theyre talking about

by thih9 4y ago

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paganel 4y ago

My understanding is that as long as they (the security forces) have already bought that equipment then they might as well use it. It doesn’t really matter if said equipment is best suited for the task at hand or not.

pionar 4y ago

You underestimate how much cops like playing with their toys.

1attice 4y ago
"Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat."

chmod775 4y ago

What where they even hoping to find? Since this was about publicly distributed video, they should have already had all the evidence they need. Most civilized places the only thing coming through his door would've been a letter informing him about his upcoming appointment at a local police station.

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unnouinceput 4y ago
It was a message. Can't you read between the lines? Between Snowden, Assange, Manning and this guy the US government message is very clear: "Don't stir my shit or you're gonna be sorry for the rest of your life"
- giantg2 4y ago
  That seems fairly true. Are there any repercussions for Drake (Snowden predecessor) after winning his case?

nscalf 4y ago

Let me play devil's advocate here, I've known a number of law enforcement/military individuals and have asked them the same question. Here's the situation they paint to me. Imagine you have to go arrest someone, essentially using force to limit their freedom. You know virtually nothing about this person, except that they are the type of person who will break laws serious enough to get arrested. Now, do you want some protection from a gun, or no? And do you want to go there with 1 other person? Or as many as you can get. It seems very excessive from the outside, because we have full knowledge of the situation at the outcome. When you go into these situations, you're essentially blind, so you're exposing yourself to the entire risk profile.

actionfromafar 4y ago
… and then the police gave the detained person a warm bathrobe and a pair of slippers.
breck 4y ago
Yes this is it. People don't realize how many police officers are murdered each year (more than 1 per week). It's just a precaution. I mean, don't get me wrong I think going after a news site is bull shit and I think we should all rally around this guy, but it was not these officers' decision to arrest them and I don't think it was excessive, it was safe (for everyone). In other countries we wouldn't hear anything about excessive force (because the jaw of the one being arrested would have been broken).
- adrienthebo 4y ago
  In 2021 more than 140 firefighters died, coming out to more than 3 a week. First responder jobs are dangerous which is why there's training to reduce the danger. Having an officer grab them a pair of pants and a shirt wouldn't imperil scene safety and the fact that the raid team couldn't bother says plenty.
  - breck 4y ago
    have you ever been a police officer? i haven't, but ive been in enough situations where guns were pulled that i know when someone doesnt know what theyre talking about