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The Air Force has it's own investigation body called OSI (Office of Special Investigations) - that's what they are referring to here.

by alexb_ 4y ago

nonameiguess 4y ago
For what it's worth, every branch of the military has its own criminal investigative arm, as well as its own security. While the vast bulk of this is limited to jurisdiction on military installations, they can't help but venture out sometimes. My wife used to work as part of a classified Naval air unit working on experimental radar, for instance, and they couldn't do everything on a Naval base. Every now and again, some people wearing AT&T coveralls or something that got too close would be kindly apprehended and escorted somewhere else by unmarked black SUVs that were part of NCIS. But what else are they supposed to do? The local police aren't cleared to know what's being guarded, either. They'd get apprehended and have their phones wiped, too.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  Acting like glorified security guards than actively running investigations and kicking in doors.
tyingq 4y ago
The question, though, is to what degree they would be allowed to meddle with civilians. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  That question is answered in the article; they'll be on an advisory/support role under the Military Cooperation with Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies Act, with the FBI responsible for the raid itself.
  - tyingq 4y ago
    That doesn't resolve, for me, that they aren't "directly involved" in a "search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity". Were they at the raid?
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      They can be at the raid. They can't run the raid. I'm sure lines get blurred on this front at times, but the FBI is entirely capable of running a raid on their own; they may be less capable of the "is this the classified document y'all were looking for?" confirmation that needs to come from the Air Force.
      - tyingq 4y ago
        Your example of "is this the classified document" sounds reasonable. That's not how either the headline or article reads, though.
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        The article doesn't read in either direction; it's not that specific. Quotes like "The FBI had not returned his phone calls, he added" would seem to indicate he's primarily dealing with the FBI, as is proper.
        tyingq 4y ago
        "Agents from the U.S. Air Force and FBI recently raided homes" "The Air Force Office of Special Investigations and FBI entered homes owned by Joerg Arnu in Las Vegas" "seized potential evidence for an undisclosed joint agency probe" Note, for example, the U.S. Army isn't allowed to do things like direct vehicle traffic around a house that's being raided. Being consulted on the side about specific items to look for, etc, that's much less direct than the quotes above.
        ceejayoz 4y ago
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The Air Force has it's own investigation body called OSI (Office of Special Investigations) - that's what they are referring to here.

by alexb_ 4y ago

The Air Force has it's own investigation body called OSI (Office of Special Investigations) - that's what they are referring to here.

nonameiguess 4y ago

For what it's worth, every branch of the military has its own criminal investigative arm, as well as its own security. While the vast bulk of this is limited to jurisdiction on military installations, they can't help but venture out sometimes. My wife used to work as part of a classified Naval air unit working on experimental radar, for instance, and they couldn't do everything on a Naval base. Every now and again, some people wearing AT&T coveralls or something that got too close would be kindly apprehended and escorted somewhere else by unmarked black SUVs that were part of NCIS. But what else are they supposed to do? The local police aren't cleared to know what's being guarded, either. They'd get apprehended and have their phones wiped, too.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
Acting like glorified security guards than actively running investigations and kicking in doors.

tyingq 4y ago

The question, though, is to what degree they would be allowed to meddle with civilians. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

ceejayoz 4y ago
That question is answered in the article; they'll be on an advisory/support role under the Military Cooperation with Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies Act, with the FBI responsible for the raid itself.
- tyingq 4y ago
  That doesn't resolve, for me, that they aren't "directly involved" in a "search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity". Were they at the raid?
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    They can be at the raid. They can't run the raid. I'm sure lines get blurred on this front at times, but the FBI is entirely capable of running a raid on their own; they may be less capable of the "is this the classified document y'all were looking for?" confirmation that needs to come from the Air Force.
    - tyingq 4y ago
      Your example of "is this the classified document" sounds reasonable. That's not how either the headline or article reads, though.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        The article doesn't read in either direction; it's not that specific. Quotes like "The FBI had not returned his phone calls, he added" would seem to indicate he's primarily dealing with the FBI, as is proper.
        tyingq 4y ago
        "Agents from the U.S. Air Force and FBI recently raided homes" "The Air Force Office of Special Investigations and FBI entered homes owned by Joerg Arnu in Las Vegas" "seized potential evidence for an undisclosed joint agency probe" Note, for example, the U.S. Army isn't allowed to do things like direct vehicle traffic around a house that's being raided. Being consulted on the side about specific items to look for, etc, that's much less direct than the quotes above.
        ceejayoz 4y ago
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