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The ACLU has (in)famously defended the kkk and other nationalists with terrible ideas. Hyperbole is useful for illustrating a point, but I don't know if that i

The ACLU has (in)famously defended the kkk and other nationalists with terrible ideas. Hyperbole is useful for illustrating a point, but I don't know if that is warranted here.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
>The ACLU has (in)famously defended the kkk and other nationalists with terrible ideas. Hyperbole is useful for illustrating a point, but I don't know if that is warranted here. Are you naive or just being misleading on purpose? In lieu of the reality in the here and now your comment is just as hyperbolic as the one you are deriding for being hyperbolic. The ACLU defended the KKK a generation ago. People have retired and been replaced. Organizational priorities have shifted. Things have changed. That's not the kind of hill that organization will risk dying on in 2022. That said, the guy here is a lot less onerous than the KKK so maybe they will help him, but I sure wouldn't bet on it.
- brookst 4y ago
  2012 was “a generation ago”? https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-em-defends-kkks-right-free-speech https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-em-defends-kkks-rig...
  - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
    I was thinking of Brandenburg v Ohio. Regardless some guy who's schtick is "the government is up to wacky shit" is not going to have the modern ACLU banging on his door. They tend to pick cases where the government is more overtly in the wrong (basically cases where case law lags public sentiment) and where the person getting the shaft is more disadvantaged.
  - prottog 4y ago
    It may well be for the purposes of this discussion. The ACLU of the past five years or so is such a radical departure from its tradition of guarding civil liberties; you now have directors of the ACLU publicly stating a desire to suppress published books and so forth, because it goes against their new political ideology.
    - brookst 4y ago
      Fair enough. I guess “a generation ago” no longer means about 50 calendar years, it means a major paradigm shift, even if that was 6 months ago.
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bitwize 4y ago
The ACLU has, since 2012, changed its policy and will no longer defend hate speech. Gamergate and the rise of Trump have taught us very important lessons about the scope of free speech and the real effects hate speech has on society.

The ACLU has (in)famously defended the kkk and other nationalists with terrible ideas. Hyperbole is useful for illustrating a point, but I don't know if that is warranted here.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

>The ACLU has (in)famously defended the kkk and other nationalists with terrible ideas. Hyperbole is useful for illustrating a point, but I don't know if that is warranted here. Are you naive or just being misleading on purpose? In lieu of the reality in the here and now your comment is just as hyperbolic as the one you are deriding for being hyperbolic. The ACLU defended the KKK a generation ago. People have retired and been replaced. Organizational priorities have shifted. Things have changed. That's not the kind of hill that organization will risk dying on in 2022. That said, the guy here is a lot less onerous than the KKK so maybe they will help him, but I sure wouldn't bet on it.

brookst 4y ago
2012 was “a generation ago”? https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-em-defends-kkks-right-free-speech https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-em-defends-kkks-rig...
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  I was thinking of Brandenburg v Ohio. Regardless some guy who's schtick is "the government is up to wacky shit" is not going to have the modern ACLU banging on his door. They tend to pick cases where the government is more overtly in the wrong (basically cases where case law lags public sentiment) and where the person getting the shaft is more disadvantaged.
- prottog 4y ago
  It may well be for the purposes of this discussion. The ACLU of the past five years or so is such a radical departure from its tradition of guarding civil liberties; you now have directors of the ACLU publicly stating a desire to suppress published books and so forth, because it goes against their new political ideology.
  - brookst 4y ago
    Fair enough. I guess “a generation ago” no longer means about 50 calendar years, it means a major paradigm shift, even if that was 6 months ago.

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bitwize 4y ago

The ACLU has, since 2012, changed its policy and will no longer defend hate speech. Gamergate and the rise of Trump have taught us very important lessons about the scope of free speech and the real effects hate speech has on society.