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He did not “process them into a news-worthy form.”

twawaaay 4y ago
So you say that a person who publishes recording of a public figure taking a bribe is not a journalist because they did not process it -- the material itself was news-worthy already and so because they didn't have to do anything they can't label themselves a journalist? I think if the material is news-worthy in its original form (like a recording of a public figure taking a bribe) you don't need to process it before publishing and certainly doing it is not a requirement.
- kube-system 4y ago
  That wasn't what he did though. Assange just dumped a bunch of material, much of it not newsworthy.
  - twawaaay 4y ago
    It made the news, and not just the fact of the dump happening but also individual documents from the dump. And how is dumping documents different from publishing raw video and letting it speak for itself?
    - kube-system 4y ago
      Yes, some journalists processed his raw dumps of data, and posted the newsworthy parts. The part where he didn't do that is the part where he doesn't meet the above definition.
  - denton-scratch 4y ago
    Assange placed an encrypted dump on the internet. Luke Harding and The Guardian published the key to that dump in a book. The dump contained information that placed individuals at risk; Assange made the information public as quickly as he could, so that affected individuals could take protective measures. Luke Harding and The Guardian were responsible for exposing the data, not Assange. They betrayed him, and they still haven't admitted it. They were supposedly collaborating with him (also Spiegel and NYT). I still don't know what happened at that time; MI5 came to the Guardian offices with Dremels and angle grinders to pulverize a laptop, in an obvious piece of theatre. Shortly after, the editor-in-chief (Alan Rusbridger) resigned and was replaced by a lightweight. The full truth will come out sooner or later.
    - kube-system 4y ago
      Sure. It still stands that he did not “process them into a news-worthy form”. He expected others to do it.
      - denton-scratch 4y ago
        There are many people engaged in journalism that are not responsible for producing finished content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Pell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Pell

So you say that a person who publishes recording of a public figure taking a bribe is not a journalist because they did not process it -- the material itself was news-worthy already and so because they didn't have to do anything they can't label themselves a journalist? I think if the material is news-worthy in its original form (like a recording of a public figure taking a bribe) you don't need to process it before publishing and certainly doing it is not a requirement.

kube-system 4y ago
That wasn't what he did though. Assange just dumped a bunch of material, much of it not newsworthy.
- twawaaay 4y ago
  It made the news, and not just the fact of the dump happening but also individual documents from the dump. And how is dumping documents different from publishing raw video and letting it speak for itself?
  - kube-system 4y ago
    Yes, some journalists processed his raw dumps of data, and posted the newsworthy parts. The part where he didn't do that is the part where he doesn't meet the above definition.
- denton-scratch 4y ago
  Assange placed an encrypted dump on the internet. Luke Harding and The Guardian published the key to that dump in a book. The dump contained information that placed individuals at risk; Assange made the information public as quickly as he could, so that affected individuals could take protective measures. Luke Harding and The Guardian were responsible for exposing the data, not Assange. They betrayed him, and they still haven't admitted it. They were supposedly collaborating with him (also Spiegel and NYT). I still don't know what happened at that time; MI5 came to the Guardian offices with Dremels and angle grinders to pulverize a laptop, in an obvious piece of theatre. Shortly after, the editor-in-chief (Alan Rusbridger) resigned and was replaced by a lightweight. The full truth will come out sooner or later.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    Sure. It still stands that he did not “process them into a news-worthy form”. He expected others to do it.
    - denton-scratch 4y ago
      There are many people engaged in journalism that are not responsible for producing finished content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Pell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Pell