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> against its own culture Could you elaborate what that culture is supposed to be exactly, and why it should require us to side with Discord here?

nickpp 4y ago
Freedom and innovation, not rules and regulations.
- mopsi 4y ago
  Freedom for me, but not for thee. These rules and regulations are the result of not respecting users' freedoms. Certain kinds of "innovations", from bioweapons to pushing teenagers towards suicide for profit, should be banned.
  - nickpp 4y ago
    30 years on the Internet and I am still waiting to see the huuuuuge damage I get from companies tracking me online. Because targeted ads I didn't mind. But you had to equate them with bioweapons and teen suicide. Do you really find them comparable? How?! Meanwhile millions of man-hours are wasted across the EU hunting and closing annoying cookie consent dialogs. Small ad-supported business which existed since the beginning of the internet now don't. And we don't even know what we are missing. Because this is how regulations damage the world: they embrace a (supposed) benefit but nobody compares it with the price paid. Opportunities missed. And what should be in the end a personal decision is stolen from us in an overpowering decision made in our names and "for our own good".
    - nephanth 4y ago
      Um remember PRISM? Or the cloud act? I seriously don't understand how you can get so outraged at countries trying to hamper a foreign government from mass spying at their population. That sounds like Also,i fail to see your point: small ad-supported businesses in the beginning of the internet did not rely on tracking and targeted ads, did they?
      - nickpp 4y ago
        I do not trust a government to protect me against spying by another. I trust the EU less than the USA - it's deeply infiltrated by Russian influence. I trust my own government the least: it is completely corrupted and only interested to rob and destroy me.
mopsi 4y ago
Probably means moralless pursuit of the almighty dollar. There seems to be a sizable chunk of hustlers on HN, who have some tiny dropshipping, newsletter or spam business that depends on invasive tracking, dark patterns and other amoral behavior, and they get scared and feel existentially threatened every time GDPR is brought up. It seems to be the same group of people who believe that the Internet would die without advertising, as if the whole Internet consisted of SEO spam only.
- can16358p 4y ago
  I hate all the things you've listed as much as you do, and never did any of them. Stay delusional.

nickpp 4y ago

Freedom and innovation, not rules and regulations.

mopsi 4y ago
Freedom for me, but not for thee. These rules and regulations are the result of not respecting users' freedoms. Certain kinds of "innovations", from bioweapons to pushing teenagers towards suicide for profit, should be banned.
- nickpp 4y ago
  30 years on the Internet and I am still waiting to see the huuuuuge damage I get from companies tracking me online. Because targeted ads I didn't mind. But you had to equate them with bioweapons and teen suicide. Do you really find them comparable? How?! Meanwhile millions of man-hours are wasted across the EU hunting and closing annoying cookie consent dialogs. Small ad-supported business which existed since the beginning of the internet now don't. And we don't even know what we are missing. Because this is how regulations damage the world: they embrace a (supposed) benefit but nobody compares it with the price paid. Opportunities missed. And what should be in the end a personal decision is stolen from us in an overpowering decision made in our names and "for our own good".
  - nephanth 4y ago
    Um remember PRISM? Or the cloud act? I seriously don't understand how you can get so outraged at countries trying to hamper a foreign government from mass spying at their population. That sounds like Also,i fail to see your point: small ad-supported businesses in the beginning of the internet did not rely on tracking and targeted ads, did they?
    - nickpp 4y ago
      I do not trust a government to protect me against spying by another. I trust the EU less than the USA - it's deeply infiltrated by Russian influence. I trust my own government the least: it is completely corrupted and only interested to rob and destroy me.

mopsi 4y ago

Probably means moralless pursuit of the almighty dollar. There seems to be a sizable chunk of hustlers on HN, who have some tiny dropshipping, newsletter or spam business that depends on invasive tracking, dark patterns and other amoral behavior, and they get scared and feel existentially threatened every time GDPR is brought up. It seems to be the same group of people who believe that the Internet would die without advertising, as if the whole Internet consisted of SEO spam only.

can16358p 4y ago
I hate all the things you've listed as much as you do, and never did any of them. Stay delusional.