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It never ceases to amaze me how much "metadata" you can pack into the Finnish language, and how it directly affects one's thinking. As a native Swedish-speaker
by 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
It never ceases to amaze me how much "metadata" you can pack into the Finnish language, and how it directly affects one's thinking.
As a native Swedish-speaker, I occasionally find myself thinking in Finnish when needing to look at a problem from a different angle. One's sense how things are positioned and headed changes completely when describing thing's in Finnish than in Swedish.
- tomrod 4y agoFunnily, I do this with Cebuano (which is much more verbose than my native English) but the code switch is super helpful to reframe context and shed idiomisms.
- zasdffaa 4y agoLiterally never heard of it so for any others in the dark Cebuano (/sɛˈbwɑːnoʊ/ seb-WAH-noh), natively called by its generic term Bisaya or Binisaya (both translated into English as Visayan, though this should not be confused with other Bisayan languages)[5] and sometimes referred to in English sources as Cebuan (/sɛˈbuːən/ seb-OO-ən), is an Austronesian language spoken in the southern Philippines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cebuano_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cebuano_language . What makes it verbose? Does it gain or lose anything by being so? (curious monolinguist is curious)
- tomrod 4y agoThe grammar and vocabulary tend to require more syllables and letters (it uses a similar alphabet to English). So a book's printing might require 50% - 75% more pages. But its not a universally longer language. As an example, prepositions are typically optional ('sa' being the generic preposition). So, texting from dual speakers (most Filipinos in the Philippines speak a local language, Filipino, and quite often English) mixes all three to become exceptionally compact. This intermixing from multiple domains for complete, almost fractal, symbology translates to a lot of domains. I've used code switching for system architecture and mathematical proofs approaches several times over the decades.
- soundnote 4y agoTranslating Finnish poetry/lyrics into a more analytic language like Swedish or English is torturous. All the little helper words just feel so clunky. And they used to say Finnish wasn't fit for poetry.
- euroderf 4y agoWell, it's got a higher vowel density than even italian, so it's fit for opera.
- soundnote 4y agoPlease no, opera sounds awful.
- vintermann 4y agoFinnish has long and short consonants as well as long and short vowels. I imagine that can lead to a few "grass mud horse" incidents in song.
- soundnote 4y agoUsing both long vowels and doubled consonants freely is one of the big problems foreigners often have with Finnish.
- zasdffaa 4y agoIs it, or is it that you aren't a professional poet? (no offence[1]). I imagine a poet trying to program something non-trivial and wondering how the IT guys get it just flowing off their fingers. Poetry done well takes skill, time and experience which maybe you don't have yet. The pros do something I love and it seems like magic the way it comes out, but then, they do a very different job Green upon the flooded Avon shone the after-storm-wet-sky Quick the struggling withy branches let the leaves of Autumn fly And a star shone over Bristol, wonderfully far and high. - John Betjeman rest at http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/hi/people_and_places/arts_and_culture/newsid_8118000/8118365.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/hi/people_and_places/art... [1] maybe you are?