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One interesting point about stimulant meds: they also help people who don't have the ADHD diagnosis. The black market for stimulants is pretty sizeable, not to

One interesting point about stimulant meds: they also help people who don't have the ADHD diagnosis. The black market for stimulants is pretty sizeable, not to mention the legit market for things like coffee.

herbst 4y ago
Some people who do black market stimulants are essentially just self medicating. Both is not black and white. My partner always had a thing for amphetamines, and was more functional under influence. It just took a doctor to confirm and subscribe them to suddenly make it legal. I could not say the same about myself, amphetamines just make me more awake but not more functional.
sph 4y ago
Coffee brightens the person that has had 8 hours sleep too. But indubitably, the person on 2 hours needs it much more.
Cthulhu_ 4y ago
I've tried my GF's meds once to see what it was (and using medication is one of the diagnosis tools they use); I found myself focusing and intetionally task switching for about two hours (that and palpitations), but I wouldn't say they "help"ed me. If you feel like you need stimulants to perform well in a job, you need to reconsider your career choices. It shouldn't be a rat race.
- malfist 4y ago
  >If you feel like you need stimulants to perform well in a job, you need to reconsider your career choices. It shouldn't be a rat race. Would you say the same thing to someone with a physical handicap? I.e., "If you feel like you need a wheelchair to get around, you need to reconsider going outside the house" I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, not saying you'd say something like that, but consider it from the medical perspective. Someone shouldn't have to struggle with a handicap just because it's mental instead of physical.
- ojkelly 4y ago
  > I've tried my GF's meds once to see what it was (and using medication is one of the diagnosis tools they use); Medication is a useful diagnosis tool, because the effects when it helps can be utterly profound. For me it was like I’d fully woken up for the first time in my life. My body physically calmed down, and I went from spending the majority of my idle time daydreaming to being calm and present in the world. Please don’t take other peoples pills though, they’re tightly controlled usually with no buffer. If you take someones pill, that means they’ll have to reduce or skip a day. Imagine stealing someones reading glasses for a day—they’re gonna have to persist and deal with the possible migraine/eye pain. > I found myself focusing and intetionally task switching for about two hours (that and palpitations), but I wouldn't say they "help"ed me. You don’t need them. What you experienced is not what your GF experiences. If you put on someone else’s prescription glasses, would you complain that they didn’t help you? > It shouldn't be a rat race. Everyone I know on stimulants for ADHD (myself included) would agree that the stimulants help them escape feeling they’re in a rat race. A trait of ADHD is know precisely what needs to be done, and being incapable of making it happen. Medication helps with that. It’s not a cure. It doesn’t fix everything. It just makes some things easier.
  - khios 4y ago
    It allows me (us?) to make conscious change. It didn't fix everything, it allows me to see more than 1 week ahead and make conscious decision to acquire new knowledge and automatism. I never had a racing heart taking it and it didn't elevate my tension. It allows me to take a nap when I want without those racing thoughts about "life"
- gremlinsinc 4y ago
  >If you feel like you need stimulants to perform well in a job, you need to reconsider your career choices. It shouldn't be a rat race. If you need Ed medicine to have sex maybe you shouldn't have sex. If you need asthma medicine to breath maybe you should think twice about breathing. Seriously, you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. Neuro divergents are almost an evolution good or bad (hyper focus can have it's benefits), most medicine for the brain is liable to do the opposite. Caffeine and ginseng are like really good cold medicine to my wife she practically goes into a coma. If you don't think people's brain work differently: Do you have an inner monologue? - yes? - talk to someone who doesn't, there's many, I found this absurd because mine is always going. - No? Talk to someone who does... Try to imagine what it'd Repeat the above for people with synesthesia or aphantasia. Reality, the brain, consciousness... It all exists within the circuitry of our brain and the flow of electricity and hormones paint your experiences in life With a deficiency in dopamine which we all mostly have (ADHD), you do need help. For you, you could end up overdosing on dopamine which itself can cause some major mental issues. Best to lay off other people's meds. Hell, I take Vyvanse my wife Adderall, when I ran out I took hers as she's on a dose that about matches my vyvanse but they have different internal mechanism. Adderall gave me anxiety, depression, and jitters. Even within ADHD circles it's probably best to stick with the meds you're prescribed.
- swores 4y ago
  > If you feel like you need stimulants to perform well in a job, you need to reconsider your career choices. OR you may have a medical condition such as ADHD where stimulants are a useful prescribed tool to deal with it. Not everyone who needs stimulants to work is abusing them.

herbst 4y ago

Some people who do black market stimulants are essentially just self medicating. Both is not black and white. My partner always had a thing for amphetamines, and was more functional under influence. It just took a doctor to confirm and subscribe them to suddenly make it legal. I could not say the same about myself, amphetamines just make me more awake but not more functional.

sph 4y ago

Coffee brightens the person that has had 8 hours sleep too. But indubitably, the person on 2 hours needs it much more.

Cthulhu_ 4y ago

I've tried my GF's meds once to see what it was (and using medication is one of the diagnosis tools they use); I found myself focusing and intetionally task switching for about two hours (that and palpitations), but I wouldn't say they "help"ed me. If you feel like you need stimulants to perform well in a job, you need to reconsider your career choices. It shouldn't be a rat race.

malfist 4y ago
>If you feel like you need stimulants to perform well in a job, you need to reconsider your career choices. It shouldn't be a rat race. Would you say the same thing to someone with a physical handicap? I.e., "If you feel like you need a wheelchair to get around, you need to reconsider going outside the house" I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, not saying you'd say something like that, but consider it from the medical perspective. Someone shouldn't have to struggle with a handicap just because it's mental instead of physical.
ojkelly 4y ago
> I've tried my GF's meds once to see what it was (and using medication is one of the diagnosis tools they use); Medication is a useful diagnosis tool, because the effects when it helps can be utterly profound. For me it was like I’d fully woken up for the first time in my life. My body physically calmed down, and I went from spending the majority of my idle time daydreaming to being calm and present in the world. Please don’t take other peoples pills though, they’re tightly controlled usually with no buffer. If you take someones pill, that means they’ll have to reduce or skip a day. Imagine stealing someones reading glasses for a day—they’re gonna have to persist and deal with the possible migraine/eye pain. > I found myself focusing and intetionally task switching for about two hours (that and palpitations), but I wouldn't say they "help"ed me. You don’t need them. What you experienced is not what your GF experiences. If you put on someone else’s prescription glasses, would you complain that they didn’t help you? > It shouldn't be a rat race. Everyone I know on stimulants for ADHD (myself included) would agree that the stimulants help them escape feeling they’re in a rat race. A trait of ADHD is know precisely what needs to be done, and being incapable of making it happen. Medication helps with that. It’s not a cure. It doesn’t fix everything. It just makes some things easier.
- khios 4y ago
  It allows me (us?) to make conscious change. It didn't fix everything, it allows me to see more than 1 week ahead and make conscious decision to acquire new knowledge and automatism. I never had a racing heart taking it and it didn't elevate my tension. It allows me to take a nap when I want without those racing thoughts about "life"
gremlinsinc 4y ago
>If you feel like you need stimulants to perform well in a job, you need to reconsider your career choices. It shouldn't be a rat race. If you need Ed medicine to have sex maybe you shouldn't have sex. If you need asthma medicine to breath maybe you should think twice about breathing. Seriously, you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. Neuro divergents are almost an evolution good or bad (hyper focus can have it's benefits), most medicine for the brain is liable to do the opposite. Caffeine and ginseng are like really good cold medicine to my wife she practically goes into a coma. If you don't think people's brain work differently: Do you have an inner monologue? - yes? - talk to someone who doesn't, there's many, I found this absurd because mine is always going. - No? Talk to someone who does... Try to imagine what it'd Repeat the above for people with synesthesia or aphantasia. Reality, the brain, consciousness... It all exists within the circuitry of our brain and the flow of electricity and hormones paint your experiences in life With a deficiency in dopamine which we all mostly have (ADHD), you do need help. For you, you could end up overdosing on dopamine which itself can cause some major mental issues. Best to lay off other people's meds. Hell, I take Vyvanse my wife Adderall, when I ran out I took hers as she's on a dose that about matches my vyvanse but they have different internal mechanism. Adderall gave me anxiety, depression, and jitters. Even within ADHD circles it's probably best to stick with the meds you're prescribed.
swores 4y ago
> If you feel like you need stimulants to perform well in a job, you need to reconsider your career choices. OR you may have a medical condition such as ADHD where stimulants are a useful prescribed tool to deal with it. Not everyone who needs stimulants to work is abusing them.