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So 13 year old rape victims who aren't about to die should be forced to give birth and become the legal guardian of another child. Way to ruin two lives at onc

by l3uwin 4y ago

So 13 year old rape victims who aren't about to die should be forced to give birth and become the legal guardian of another child. Way to ruin two lives at once.

olliej 4y ago
The forced-birth crowd overlaps strongly with the "that 13 year old was clearly asking for it" so that argument doesn't work (the primary reason for forced birth is to punish women who dare to have sex). But also, while I get what you're saying, it's a diversion: no one can force you to do anything with your body, or undergo any medical procedure, for any reason, even to save someone else's life. The only case where an exception is made, is when it involves controlling women, which has always been the case. If you have a matching kidney for someone who will die without it, no one can ever force you to give up your kidney, and that's not even something that kills you. If it's an emergency and someone will die without a blood transfusion, and you're the only person with the right blood type, no one can make you donate blood. It doesn't matter if it's a stranger, or your child, no one can ever force you to do anything with your body, no matter how many lives it would save. Forced birth however, especially in america with some remarkably biased birth mortality rates (black women are 2.5x more likely to die in labour than white Americans, some states have 2x the mortality rate of others), means being forced to risk your life and body against your will. Especially egregious because the most pro-forced birth Staes in america are among those with the highest labour mortality rates, and the lowest amount of support services for the mothers or children. Again, the mortality is a convenient side effect, the primary purpose is to punish the women who dared to have sex.
Akronymus 4y ago
Thanks, I forgot to exhaustively enumerate all the exceptions, that make sense in my eyes. Like rape victims.
- l3uwin 4y ago
  the required existence of an exhaustive list of exceptions to your rule indicates it's a bad rule

by l3uwin 4y ago

So 13 year old rape victims who aren't about to die should be forced to give birth and become the legal guardian of another child. Way to ruin two lives at once.

olliej 4y ago

The forced-birth crowd overlaps strongly with the "that 13 year old was clearly asking for it" so that argument doesn't work (the primary reason for forced birth is to punish women who dare to have sex). But also, while I get what you're saying, it's a diversion: no one can force you to do anything with your body, or undergo any medical procedure, for any reason, even to save someone else's life. The only case where an exception is made, is when it involves controlling women, which has always been the case. If you have a matching kidney for someone who will die without it, no one can ever force you to give up your kidney, and that's not even something that kills you. If it's an emergency and someone will die without a blood transfusion, and you're the only person with the right blood type, no one can make you donate blood. It doesn't matter if it's a stranger, or your child, no one can ever force you to do anything with your body, no matter how many lives it would save. Forced birth however, especially in america with some remarkably biased birth mortality rates (black women are 2.5x more likely to die in labour than white Americans, some states have 2x the mortality rate of others), means being forced to risk your life and body against your will. Especially egregious because the most pro-forced birth Staes in america are among those with the highest labour mortality rates, and the lowest amount of support services for the mothers or children. Again, the mortality is a convenient side effect, the primary purpose is to punish the women who dared to have sex.

Akronymus 4y ago

Thanks, I forgot to exhaustively enumerate all the exceptions, that make sense in my eyes. Like rape victims.

l3uwin 4y ago
the required existence of an exhaustive list of exceptions to your rule indicates it's a bad rule