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2023 Toyota Prius Is the Quickest, Most Powerful, or Most Efficient Prius Ever
- _hypx 4y agoThe all-new Prius promises 57 mpg combined in the base model, or 220 hp and a 6.6-second 0-60 time in the plug-in Prius Prime.
- lostlogin 4y agoThis was the key bit fore me: Toyota says you’ll get 50 percent more all-electric driving range compared to the last Prius Prime, which should mean around 37 miles of zero-emissions driving with a fully-charged battery. I wish Toyota would lift its plug in electric game.
- ianai 4y agoMy RAV4 prime can get about 20% more electric range than stated given the proper weather/tire conditions. 37 miles might be more useful than expected for certain commutes. Other wise, it’d be a whole lot more useful if my prime got about 2x its electric range. It’s not perfect but the combo does cut my gas usage down vastly.
- dontlaugh 4y agoThat seems pretty bad. My old small diesel car gets 60 mpg, admittedly at much more sedate performance.
- _hypx 4y agoWorth noting that diesel has ~10% higher energy density.
- tromp 4y agoSeee also yesterday's discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33625935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33625935
- benj111 4y agoI'm kind of confused by the direction they've chosen to go here. Was anyone asking for a bigger ice in their Prius? The whole point of hybrid is that you can get away with a smaller ice, why didn't they give it a bigger electric motor and battery instead?
- jjtheblunt 4y agoi think they're just making purposefully differentiated combinations of ice vs battery size, since there's a pure electric joint effort with Subaru, for instance? i guess time will tell though.
- TheLoafOfBread 4y agoWhy would they shoot themselves in a foot like that? Estimated pricing is 26k - 34k USD [0] with range of BEVs for 80k+ USD and convenience of filling up (charging) in few minutes instead of 1 hour and more. It might be more complex but it brings to a user price and convenience of ICE. And before you will pull out that people can charge at home, 50% of people in EU are living in apartments and thus can't charge at home. [0] https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/2023-toyota-prius-review-a1192095682/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/2023-toyota...
- benj111 4y agoThis a a plug in hybrid though, so if you can't charge it why are you buying a plug in hybrid? So that point is moot, although I disagree with it for other reasons. Plus, your position seems to preclude any kind of electrification, so why build a Prius to start with? Ultimately. Compared to the previous Prius, they've increase engine size. That increases weight and cost. Assuming batteries have come down in price they can use that saving either (broadly) to lower the price of the car, increase electric range, or increase the IC power. They chose to spend some of this saving on a bigger engine. Why? Smaller engine would equal less weight, increasing electric range, so would spending the money on a bigger battery. I kind of see your point that batteries are expensive, X% of journeys are less than X miles so it makes sense to decarbonise that first X%, even if it's not cost effective to decarbonise them all. but as batteries get cheaper, the range of hybrids should be increasing, as the break even point changes.