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To clarify, I've been using Macs since 1987 and macOS in it's various guised for 21 years. > At the semantic level it's fundamentally mixing two separate conce
by sbuk 4y ago
To clarify, I've been using Macs since 1987 and macOS in it's various guised for 21 years.
> At the semantic level it's fundamentally mixing two separate concerns. Further, resolving this quandry requires opening a next-level menu and further analysis, it cannot be done immediately/visually. IMHO, this sort of thing is the objective definition of "unintuitive" in an interface.
No, different to what you are used to. For nearly 40 years it has worked this way in the OS. I have no problem with you not liking it, but your reasoning isn't reasoned.
> Never heard of using this to scan, and you even said it's an "image viewer".
You didn't look very hard, clearly. It was used to scan when it was part of NeXTStep. In fact, in the olden days, when scanners were still a thing for most people, you would 'preview' the scan first!
> I now see it has an 'Import image from scanner...' function. Wow, that's ... not what I was looking for. I will always scan many pages at once.
Wow. It says 'scanner' in the fucking menu item. What more do you want! I know, I know, "work like my favourite OS".
> [Somewhere on the internet has information...]
Yeah, great. If you're such an Apple documentation fan, try finding out how to fix my keyboard on the Apple site then. I'll send you a hardware gift if you can solve that one. Tried everything hinted at on the internet, no help.
You claimed that you needed "undocumented key combinations at boot time." I linked to official documentation! Would you rather a printed manual autographed by Steve Jobs? And if you tell me what's wrong with your keyboard (i.e. symptoms of the issue) instead of whining about it, I, and many others could help.
> Incorrect. I've never seen Linux drop support for hardware except ultra-ancient hardware (>40 years).
I gave an example of hardware that was broken. I couldn't give a shit that you think it's the manufacturers fault. The rest of us don't feel the need to Open-source all the things. We just want shit to work. Not including binary blobs is idealism at its worst. Fundamentally, an update broke it. This came from the distro. It. Is. Bad. User. Experience. And that lies with the distributor of the OS as much as the hardware vendor.
I haven't reinstalled macOS since I took the 2018 machine out of the box. It's running Ventura now without issue.
> I don't trust closed source single vendor systems with my data, sorry.
Right. That's, like, your choice, man.
All in all, save for the possibility that your keyboard issues are genuine, everything you listed isn't down to the system being 'unintuitive', it's down to your ignorance and at times not RTFMing. You are stating opinion as fact which doesn't lead to constructive conversations.
- contingencies 4y agoThis brings to mind a proverb, "对牛弹琴", since the Han Dynasty.
- sbuk 4y agoYes, you are so much cleverer than I. Ad hominem is ad hominem, however you try and wrap it up or disguise it. Arrogance is an ugly thing to display. Sometimes, you have to Read. The. Fucking. Manual. The truth is that you have struggled to understand something largely due to pre-existing bias. You had learned a way to do something and expected to be able to map that to a different workflow without any learning. It really is that simple. It made you feel stupid, and you are confusing that with something being unintuitive. macOS isn't perfect, far from it, but claiming it's unintuitive because you couldn't immediately scan a document is nonsense. Scanning a document in KDE requires additional software to be installed, which is also an option for macOS, but with Preview.app, it's already there. Lack of familiarity is not the same as unintuitive. Claiming things are undocumentented when it takes 30 seconds to find official documentation on that very subject is nonsense. Moving the goalposts after being shown something is a asshole move.
- contingencies 4y agoPerhaps recall the context of the discussion was "intuitive", which is the anti-definition of RTFM. Documentation is an admission of failure. - Eric S. Raymond, The Art of Unix Usability (2004) Secondly, please accept my humblest apologies for a poor choice of proverb; a better one may have been 井底之蛙 whereupon the well in question is Apple-land.
- sbuk 4y ago> Lack of familiarity is not the same as unintuitive.