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This whole app store thing with Apple/Google is BS. Imagine if your car could only drive to locations approved as safe by the car manufacturer, and they could a

by _yb2s 4y ago

This whole app store thing with Apple/Google is BS. Imagine if your car could only drive to locations approved as safe by the car manufacturer, and they could auto-ban your Grandma's house with no recourse.

Tenoke 4y ago
It's more like if you could only drive approved cars on the regular roads.. which is already the case but regulated by the government instead.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  > if you could only drive approved cars on convenient roads.. which is already the case huh?
- michael_j_x 4y ago
  I think the analogy is more if you could only drive your car on government approved roads.
- smt88 4y ago
  My car happily drives on private roads, and even dirt and gravel, without government approval.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - happyopossum 4y ago
    You’re getting the analogy backwards - you can’t drive an unapproved car on a public road.
    - smt88 4y ago
      It's a terrible analogy no matter how you interpret it. Approval of cars is based on whether those cars can harm other cars. If I want to "drive" (use) an unapproved "car" (app store) on a "public road" (my own device), I should be able to do that.
TheBrokenRail 4y ago
At least on Android you can install alternate app stores like F-Droid. All you have to do is allow apps to be installed from unknown sources. If you use Apple, you're just out of luck unless you want to mess with whatever hacky workaround is popular this week.
- TylerE 4y ago
  I have never felt the need to do so on iOS. I cannot say the same about Android.
  - tomrod 4y ago
    Lucky! I felt it very early on in iOS and that does not seem to have abated.
  - cheeze 4y ago
    Your use case might be fine for their app store only, but it doesn't mean thats true for others.
  - Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
    Can you share more about your experience with android?
    - TylerE 4y ago
      Death by 1000 cuts of little frustrations, lags, etc.
  - throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
    because you're an consumer and not a power user. there's nothing wrong with that, but a very wide array of preferences different than yours does exist.
  - moffkalast 4y ago
    You mean aside from when you see every free android app cost $6.99 on iOS?
klipklop 4y ago
There needs to be a way to have 3rd party app stores on these platforms. Tired of the private platform argument. Google/Apple works hard to crush viable competition. It's time for laws to be written to step in and fix this.
- jonas-w 4y ago
  Thats why most of the Apps i download are from F-Droid
cle 4y ago
> Imagine if your car could only drive to locations approved as safe by the car manufacturer We're not very far away from that. Example: Tesla sells auto insurance based on real-time tracking of driving behavior, and explicitly lists "where you live" as a factor. So it's quite possible "real-time location safety" is already part of their model. So you may already be charged more for driving to your Grandma's house. Granted this is not a ban, but it is close enough for discomfort and all it takes is the right (or wrong) motivation and the loop can be trivially closed.
- mod 4y ago
  Location of the insured vehicle has been a factor since I started having insurance about 24 years ago (speaking for 20 years of Geico, and more recently Progressive).
  - cle 4y ago
    The scale at which manufacturers and insurers like Tesla can use real-time location data in actuarial models (and whatever else they like) is quite new, though. The important distinction is that the same entity tracking your real-time location also has unprecedented control over the car and your ability to use it, and very little transparency. This is basically the same dynamics as app stores.
    - maxerickson 4y ago
      Is it obvious that they can charge low enough prices the rest of the time to make this dynamic pricing an attractive offer? Are people somehow forced to buy Tesla insurance when they buy a Tesla?
thanhhaimai 4y ago
This already happens with Drone. you can only flight to locations approved as safe by the manufacturer, and they could ban a location without recourse.
- capableweb 4y ago
  Isn't that based on "drone no-fly" maps from respective governments rather than what the manufacturer decides?

by _yb2s 4y ago

Tenoke 4y ago

It's more like if you could only drive approved cars on the regular roads.. which is already the case but regulated by the government instead.

lostmsu 4y ago
> if you could only drive approved cars on convenient roads.. which is already the case huh?
michael_j_x 4y ago
I think the analogy is more if you could only drive your car on government approved roads.
smt88 4y ago
My car happily drives on private roads, and even dirt and gravel, without government approval.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- happyopossum 4y ago
  You’re getting the analogy backwards - you can’t drive an unapproved car on a public road.
  - smt88 4y ago
    It's a terrible analogy no matter how you interpret it. Approval of cars is based on whether those cars can harm other cars. If I want to "drive" (use) an unapproved "car" (app store) on a "public road" (my own device), I should be able to do that.

TheBrokenRail 4y ago

At least on Android you can install alternate app stores like F-Droid. All you have to do is allow apps to be installed from unknown sources. If you use Apple, you're just out of luck unless you want to mess with whatever hacky workaround is popular this week.

TylerE 4y ago
I have never felt the need to do so on iOS. I cannot say the same about Android.
- tomrod 4y ago
  Lucky! I felt it very early on in iOS and that does not seem to have abated.
- cheeze 4y ago
  Your use case might be fine for their app store only, but it doesn't mean thats true for others.
- Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
  Can you share more about your experience with android?
  - TylerE 4y ago
    Death by 1000 cuts of little frustrations, lags, etc.
- throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
  because you're an consumer and not a power user. there's nothing wrong with that, but a very wide array of preferences different than yours does exist.
- moffkalast 4y ago
  You mean aside from when you see every free android app cost $6.99 on iOS?

klipklop 4y ago

There needs to be a way to have 3rd party app stores on these platforms. Tired of the private platform argument. Google/Apple works hard to crush viable competition. It's time for laws to be written to step in and fix this.

jonas-w 4y ago
Thats why most of the Apps i download are from F-Droid

cle 4y ago

> Imagine if your car could only drive to locations approved as safe by the car manufacturer We're not very far away from that. Example: Tesla sells auto insurance based on real-time tracking of driving behavior, and explicitly lists "where you live" as a factor. So it's quite possible "real-time location safety" is already part of their model. So you may already be charged more for driving to your Grandma's house. Granted this is not a ban, but it is close enough for discomfort and all it takes is the right (or wrong) motivation and the loop can be trivially closed.

mod 4y ago
Location of the insured vehicle has been a factor since I started having insurance about 24 years ago (speaking for 20 years of Geico, and more recently Progressive).
- cle 4y ago
  The scale at which manufacturers and insurers like Tesla can use real-time location data in actuarial models (and whatever else they like) is quite new, though. The important distinction is that the same entity tracking your real-time location also has unprecedented control over the car and your ability to use it, and very little transparency. This is basically the same dynamics as app stores.
  - maxerickson 4y ago
    Is it obvious that they can charge low enough prices the rest of the time to make this dynamic pricing an attractive offer? Are people somehow forced to buy Tesla insurance when they buy a Tesla?

thanhhaimai 4y ago

This already happens with Drone. you can only flight to locations approved as safe by the manufacturer, and they could ban a location without recourse.

capableweb 4y ago
Isn't that based on "drone no-fly" maps from respective governments rather than what the manufacturer decides?