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As an engineer who used to be a lawyer, I can assure you that most big law firm partners (1) have families and (2) rarely see them. 10 hours days are normal. 12

As an engineer who used to be a lawyer, I can assure you that most big law firm partners (1) have families and (2) rarely see them. 10 hours days are normal. 12-14 hour days are hardcore. Some associates used to have portable beds in their offices so they can grab 2 hours of sleep if they really need it.

dakiol 4y ago
These practices exist outside the IT world for sure. One of my points is: software engineers don’t have to accept such poor conditions. We certainly can do better (even in times of layoffs and recession)… so I wonder what kind of software engineers decide to accept such terrible conditions coming from a Twitter that allowed 100% remote work and normal working hours. It’s like goin from heaven to hell and not complain about it.
- aiisahik 4y ago
  I think there are industries with - good conditions and bad pay (government) - bad conditions and good pay (finance, law, medicine) Over the past 10 years big tech has provided good conditions for very good pay. In my opinion that is going to change for the next 2 yrs. I refuse to hire engineers in Bay Area because, though they are very good, they are entitled and generally too expensive. The good times will come again but for now I'm hoping the tech folks start coming down to earth again. Don't expect a 400k TC and not expect to grind.
  - dakiol 4y ago
    Salary is always relative ($120K in SV may seem like a very low salary and only for junior engineers… in Berlin 99% of senior software engineers with 10 years of experience make less than that). But working conditions (e.g., normal working hours, possibility to work remotely) shouldn’t just go away.
superchroma 4y ago
That's not normal, it's sick. The fact that such behavior is practiced is irrelevant. Some countries use child labor to mine rocks also. This isn't a race to the bottom for working conditions.

dakiol 4y ago

These practices exist outside the IT world for sure. One of my points is: software engineers don’t have to accept such poor conditions. We certainly can do better (even in times of layoffs and recession)… so I wonder what kind of software engineers decide to accept such terrible conditions coming from a Twitter that allowed 100% remote work and normal working hours. It’s like goin from heaven to hell and not complain about it.

aiisahik 4y ago
I think there are industries with - good conditions and bad pay (government) - bad conditions and good pay (finance, law, medicine) Over the past 10 years big tech has provided good conditions for very good pay. In my opinion that is going to change for the next 2 yrs. I refuse to hire engineers in Bay Area because, though they are very good, they are entitled and generally too expensive. The good times will come again but for now I'm hoping the tech folks start coming down to earth again. Don't expect a 400k TC and not expect to grind.
- dakiol 4y ago
  Salary is always relative ($120K in SV may seem like a very low salary and only for junior engineers… in Berlin 99% of senior software engineers with 10 years of experience make less than that). But working conditions (e.g., normal working hours, possibility to work remotely) shouldn’t just go away.

superchroma 4y ago

That's not normal, it's sick. The fact that such behavior is practiced is irrelevant. Some countries use child labor to mine rocks also. This isn't a race to the bottom for working conditions.