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I'd be curious to know how many onewheels have been sold - my guess is that 4 deaths represents a very high risk of death relative to eg snowboarding, but witho

by s17n 4y ago

I'd be curious to know how many onewheels have been sold - my guess is that 4 deaths represents a very high risk of death relative to eg snowboarding, but without a denominator, there's no way to know.

bombcar 4y ago
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/50-million-miles-onewheel-achieves-micromobility-milestone-301309592.html https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/50-million-miles-on... and https://www.imarcgroup.com/one-wheel-electric-scooter-market https://www.imarcgroup.com/one-wheel-electric-scooter-market might be able to get a rough number.
- mackmgg 4y ago
  4 deaths per 50 million miles means it’s just under 1 death per 10 million miles. That would put riding a one wheel for 1 mile at the same risk as biking 1 mile, walking 2 miles, or driving 25 miles[1]. That is of course only looking at death and not serious injury. Still, as other people have mentioned there are solutions Future Motion has been avoiding that would significantly lower the risk. Adding small wheels on each side in case of nosedives, or adding a loud audible warning in case of low battery or max speed being reached rather than just a subtle physical alert are two that have been suggested here and seem like they would make a big difference. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort
- frankus 4y ago
  It looks like most death rates for transportation products are measured in deaths per 100 million passenger miles. So 8 deaths seems like a reasonable estimate. By comparison, cars are about 1.5 deaths, and motorcycles are 25-30. For the car number, I'm willing to bet that OneWheel riders skew younger and male-er than the general driving population. I'd bet the risk difference mostly disappears if you're comparing similar demographics. For the motorcycle number, keep in mind that you can't legally ride a motorcycle without a license and some training and/or non-trivial testing. And most riders wear much more extensive PPE than the average OneWheel rider. And they're still at something like 300–400% of the risk. I think it kind of comes down to whether you think of a OneWheel as a toy, a recreational product, or a form of transportation. It's ridiculously unsafe compared with, say, a boardgame, and probably on par with recreational products like skateboards and jet skis, and somewhere in the middle between driving a car and riding a motorcycle for transportation.
  - frankus 4y ago
    One caveat here is that it’s not clear if it’s “4 deaths downstream of the procurement of a OneWheel” or “4 deaths attributable to this particular failure mode”. There might be some number of “died riding a OneWheel after getting hit by a car” deaths, but arguably that particular type of fatality should be chalked up as “downstream of the procurement of a car”.
  - MivLives 4y ago
    The riders skew older then you think. I'd say the average rider I've met is about 35. Male dominated of courses. This is a toy. Very few people not working can afford a 1.5k-2k electric vehicle, especially when you can grab an escooter/ebike for about half the price. The issue I think they're going for here is the sudden lack of power which happens sometimes. Anecdotally it happened to maybe 3 people who publicly stated as such in a 60 person rider group. A ton of people have broken collar bones on these things, and it's an almost expected injury if you use it long enough.

by s17n 4y ago

bombcar 4y ago

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/50-million-miles-onewheel-achieves-micromobility-milestone-301309592.html https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/50-million-miles-on... and https://www.imarcgroup.com/one-wheel-electric-scooter-market https://www.imarcgroup.com/one-wheel-electric-scooter-market might be able to get a rough number.

mackmgg 4y ago
4 deaths per 50 million miles means it’s just under 1 death per 10 million miles. That would put riding a one wheel for 1 mile at the same risk as biking 1 mile, walking 2 miles, or driving 25 miles[1]. That is of course only looking at death and not serious injury. Still, as other people have mentioned there are solutions Future Motion has been avoiding that would significantly lower the risk. Adding small wheels on each side in case of nosedives, or adding a loud audible warning in case of low battery or max speed being reached rather than just a subtle physical alert are two that have been suggested here and seem like they would make a big difference. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort
frankus 4y ago
It looks like most death rates for transportation products are measured in deaths per 100 million passenger miles. So 8 deaths seems like a reasonable estimate. By comparison, cars are about 1.5 deaths, and motorcycles are 25-30. For the car number, I'm willing to bet that OneWheel riders skew younger and male-er than the general driving population. I'd bet the risk difference mostly disappears if you're comparing similar demographics. For the motorcycle number, keep in mind that you can't legally ride a motorcycle without a license and some training and/or non-trivial testing. And most riders wear much more extensive PPE than the average OneWheel rider. And they're still at something like 300–400% of the risk. I think it kind of comes down to whether you think of a OneWheel as a toy, a recreational product, or a form of transportation. It's ridiculously unsafe compared with, say, a boardgame, and probably on par with recreational products like skateboards and jet skis, and somewhere in the middle between driving a car and riding a motorcycle for transportation.
- frankus 4y ago
  One caveat here is that it’s not clear if it’s “4 deaths downstream of the procurement of a OneWheel” or “4 deaths attributable to this particular failure mode”. There might be some number of “died riding a OneWheel after getting hit by a car” deaths, but arguably that particular type of fatality should be chalked up as “downstream of the procurement of a car”.
- MivLives 4y ago
  The riders skew older then you think. I'd say the average rider I've met is about 35. Male dominated of courses. This is a toy. Very few people not working can afford a 1.5k-2k electric vehicle, especially when you can grab an escooter/ebike for about half the price. The issue I think they're going for here is the sudden lack of power which happens sometimes. Anecdotally it happened to maybe 3 people who publicly stated as such in a 60 person rider group. A ton of people have broken collar bones on these things, and it's an almost expected injury if you use it long enough.