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It's not just about the number of your users who are directly using Firefox; it's also about ensuring your code isn't inadvertently depending on non-standard Ch

by jfk13 4y ago

It's not just about the number of your users who are directly using Firefox; it's also about ensuring your code isn't inadvertently depending on non-standard Chrome quirks, and promoting standards compliance, portability, robustness, and such-like goodness on the web. (Test IE11 as well, by all means, if it's relevant to your users; but it's much less relevant to the future of the web.)

MuffinFlavored 4y ago
i’m just being silly when I ask this, but if you have data that most of your users, use Chrome, who cares if quirks that work in chrome don’t work and other browsers, if your users aren’t using those other browsers??
- toast0 4y ago
  Quirks that only work in Chrome may stop working in a future release. Things that work on Chrome and FF are more likely to continue to work. Ideally, you'd have reliable usage numbers by browser and platform, as well as a threshold of usage that demands testing. Maybe that's 1%, 5%, 10%, 20%? Aggregate up, so if FF desktop doesn't hit the numbers, maybe FF in general does, or maybe 'other browsers' does. Or maybe commit to testing the top N platforms over 1% usage. Lower on the usage scale doesn't need to be pixel perfect or pretty at all, IMHO, but major site features should still work.
- harperlee 4y ago
  Well, that way you don’t contribute to making more difficult for people to change browsers.
- latexr 4y ago
  Maybe most of your users use Chrome because they don’t have a choice, i.e. the website is broken in other browsers. Every time they bump into something they dislike about Chrome, they’ll remember who is forcing them to use it. When an alternative comes along and works in their browser of choice, they’ll switch and advocate for it.
- deafpolygon 4y ago
  Do we REALLY want a repeat of IE?
- thrwaway042 4y ago
  We should learn from what happened with Internet Explorer. It had a much larger share than Chrome has now, and a lot of people designed for IE first. The consequences were too many to write down in this comment. Let's just say there were some regrets :-) We don't know how the situation will look like in the near future. If a large enough portion of the users switch to a different browser, it quickly becomes an issue. It is in my opinion part of what companies should include in their risk assessments. Looking at the general trends, I would not be surprised if at least EU governments and institutions will ban Chrome due to privacy and data security. That will probably lead to others switching as well.

by jfk13 4y ago

MuffinFlavored 4y ago

i’m just being silly when I ask this, but if you have data that most of your users, use Chrome, who cares if quirks that work in chrome don’t work and other browsers, if your users aren’t using those other browsers??

toast0 4y ago
Quirks that only work in Chrome may stop working in a future release. Things that work on Chrome and FF are more likely to continue to work. Ideally, you'd have reliable usage numbers by browser and platform, as well as a threshold of usage that demands testing. Maybe that's 1%, 5%, 10%, 20%? Aggregate up, so if FF desktop doesn't hit the numbers, maybe FF in general does, or maybe 'other browsers' does. Or maybe commit to testing the top N platforms over 1% usage. Lower on the usage scale doesn't need to be pixel perfect or pretty at all, IMHO, but major site features should still work.
harperlee 4y ago
Well, that way you don’t contribute to making more difficult for people to change browsers.
latexr 4y ago
Maybe most of your users use Chrome because they don’t have a choice, i.e. the website is broken in other browsers. Every time they bump into something they dislike about Chrome, they’ll remember who is forcing them to use it. When an alternative comes along and works in their browser of choice, they’ll switch and advocate for it.
deafpolygon 4y ago
Do we REALLY want a repeat of IE?
thrwaway042 4y ago
We should learn from what happened with Internet Explorer. It had a much larger share than Chrome has now, and a lot of people designed for IE first. The consequences were too many to write down in this comment. Let's just say there were some regrets :-) We don't know how the situation will look like in the near future. If a large enough portion of the users switch to a different browser, it quickly becomes an issue. It is in my opinion part of what companies should include in their risk assessments. Looking at the general trends, I would not be surprised if at least EU governments and institutions will ban Chrome due to privacy and data security. That will probably lead to others switching as well.