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> Yes, I have a problem with overtly hostile responses to reasonable and polite requests Again - this means that you probably don't want to use this project, t

> Yes, I have a problem with overtly hostile responses to reasonable and polite requests Again - this means that you probably don't want to use this project, then. > More importantly (for our discussion), why would I have to share someone's values in order to think they're worth listening to? Because you've dismissed their entire project based on their comments in a single PR from years ago.

brigandish 4y ago
> > Yes, I have a problem with overtly hostile responses to reasonable and polite requests > Again - this means that you probably don't want to use this project, then. You haven't answered the question why, you're begging the question. You can scroll up and see what I asked and perhaps finally answer it. > > More importantly (for our discussion), why would I have to share someone's values in order to think they're worth listening to? > Because you've dismissed their entire project based on their comments in a single PR from years ago. This is a non-sequitur. Firstly, I haven't "dismissed" their entire project, I've criticised their stated position and the way they handled a polite issue request (not a PR). Secondly, why is that single thread not indicative of the attitude of the developers? Do you have other issue threads available on the same or a similar topic where they were less hostile? Lastly, it doesn't answer the question at all. Why would I have to share someone's values in order to think they're worth listening to? When you see a question I'd be grateful if you could try answering it instead of trying to answer the straw man version of me you've created in your head.
- test098 4y ago
  > Firstly, I haven't "dismissed" their entire project > It seems that not only has "community of leftist[s]" given up on free speech (as is the vogue), they've given up on real federation too. This... seems like dismissal. They claim to be a federated project, you claim that their lack of alignment with your idea of "free speech" makes this not a federated project and is an abandonment of real free speech (again, your idea of it). > Secondly, why is that single thread not indicative of the attitude of the developers? Do you have other issue threads available on the same or a similar topic where they were less hostile? Think about the last time you were curt with someone - do you believe that it is indicative of your general attitude, or indicative of your attitude because of some extenuating circumstances? Can you please collect some other issue threads on the same or a similar topic that you believe establishes a pattern of behavior? > Lastly, it doesn't answer the question at all. Why would I have to share someone's values in order to think they're worth listening to? Because you "have a problem with overtly hostile responses to reasonable and polite requests," which you believe the maintainers are guilty of. Hence, it's likely you wouldn't want to listen to them because you have a problem with how they communicate, i.e. the way that they would communicate with you. I can keep answering this question over and over again in different ways, but I'm not sure how to make this simpler to understand.
  - brigandish 4y ago
    > I can keep answering this question over and over again in different ways, but I'm not sure how to make this simpler to understand. The lack of understanding is all yours, as you've managed to conflate the developers with the users of Lemmy - is it really just them on this alternative to Reddit? I also wonder why the hostility within a network goes up as the hate speech goes down, it seems counterproductive. > Think about the last time you were curt with someone - do you believe that it is indicative of your general attitude, or indicative of your attitude because of some extenuating circumstances? If you were their lawyer or their dad I would understand this need to come up with an excuse, but you're not. > Can you please collect some other issue threads on the same or a similar topic that you believe establishes a pattern of behavior? I could try but I already have evidence of hostility that backs up my claim, why would I start working to satisfy a different claim that you'd like to make on my behalf, presumably for your benefit here, when I asked you to back up your claim but you've provided nothing? That makes no sense. There's something like 10 days to respond to a comment on HN so you can still do it. > you claim that their lack of alignment with your idea of "free speech" You mean, the standard idea given by those who support free speech? Yes, that idea. > makes this not a federated project Reddit also has servers that talk to each other but won't allow others to join its network that it doesn't control, it's not considered federated either.

brigandish 4y ago

> > Yes, I have a problem with overtly hostile responses to reasonable and polite requests > Again - this means that you probably don't want to use this project, then. You haven't answered the question why, you're begging the question. You can scroll up and see what I asked and perhaps finally answer it. > > More importantly (for our discussion), why would I have to share someone's values in order to think they're worth listening to? > Because you've dismissed their entire project based on their comments in a single PR from years ago. This is a non-sequitur. Firstly, I haven't "dismissed" their entire project, I've criticised their stated position and the way they handled a polite issue request (not a PR). Secondly, why is that single thread not indicative of the attitude of the developers? Do you have other issue threads available on the same or a similar topic where they were less hostile? Lastly, it doesn't answer the question at all. Why would I have to share someone's values in order to think they're worth listening to? When you see a question I'd be grateful if you could try answering it instead of trying to answer the straw man version of me you've created in your head.

test098 4y ago
> Firstly, I haven't "dismissed" their entire project > It seems that not only has "community of leftist[s]" given up on free speech (as is the vogue), they've given up on real federation too. This... seems like dismissal. They claim to be a federated project, you claim that their lack of alignment with your idea of "free speech" makes this not a federated project and is an abandonment of real free speech (again, your idea of it). > Secondly, why is that single thread not indicative of the attitude of the developers? Do you have other issue threads available on the same or a similar topic where they were less hostile? Think about the last time you were curt with someone - do you believe that it is indicative of your general attitude, or indicative of your attitude because of some extenuating circumstances? Can you please collect some other issue threads on the same or a similar topic that you believe establishes a pattern of behavior? > Lastly, it doesn't answer the question at all. Why would I have to share someone's values in order to think they're worth listening to? Because you "have a problem with overtly hostile responses to reasonable and polite requests," which you believe the maintainers are guilty of. Hence, it's likely you wouldn't want to listen to them because you have a problem with how they communicate, i.e. the way that they would communicate with you. I can keep answering this question over and over again in different ways, but I'm not sure how to make this simpler to understand.
- brigandish 4y ago
  > I can keep answering this question over and over again in different ways, but I'm not sure how to make this simpler to understand. The lack of understanding is all yours, as you've managed to conflate the developers with the users of Lemmy - is it really just them on this alternative to Reddit? I also wonder why the hostility within a network goes up as the hate speech goes down, it seems counterproductive. > Think about the last time you were curt with someone - do you believe that it is indicative of your general attitude, or indicative of your attitude because of some extenuating circumstances? If you were their lawyer or their dad I would understand this need to come up with an excuse, but you're not. > Can you please collect some other issue threads on the same or a similar topic that you believe establishes a pattern of behavior? I could try but I already have evidence of hostility that backs up my claim, why would I start working to satisfy a different claim that you'd like to make on my behalf, presumably for your benefit here, when I asked you to back up your claim but you've provided nothing? That makes no sense. There's something like 10 days to respond to a comment on HN so you can still do it. > you claim that their lack of alignment with your idea of "free speech" You mean, the standard idea given by those who support free speech? Yes, that idea. > makes this not a federated project Reddit also has servers that talk to each other but won't allow others to join its network that it doesn't control, it's not considered federated either.