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Both companies famous for their burn out culture. That the CEO would want all employees to work as much as possible without concern for burnout is completely un

by comrh 4y ago

Both companies famous for their burn out culture. That the CEO would want all employees to work as much as possible without concern for burnout is completely unsurprising, but that does not make it a good way to run a tech company. Those companies are clearly not in the same position as twitter either. I have no idea why "trust Elon" should just be taken as a given.

memish 4y ago
Not really. They are famous for advancing sustainable transport, re-usable rockets and Starlink.
- pixelfarmer 4y ago
  Brain work efficiency peaks at about 25h/week. Musk should know this, but obviously doesn't. Why is this important? Because humans make mistakes. And the rate at which we make mistakes raises with exhaustion. Actually working 40h/week (you know, not 40h being at work, but actual focused work) is draining your batteries massively, and I won't go into the 50h/week or more, because this is technically suicide and only works for very short periods (a week, 2 weeks is already a stretch by a long shot). Also note that the time to recover from this takes even longer, assuming you are given the time to actually do that. Sum this all up and Musk is doing a very stupid thing: He tells employees to be more inefficient and create more bugs and problems because they have to work long hours now for ... what exactly? If I were someone looking to do "black hat" things announcements like that are a golden sunrise in the morning, an opportunity in the waiting. From a business perspective this is just many levels of stupid.
  - memish 4y ago
    Maybe as an average, but high performers can sustain more than 40h/week and that's who he is targeting.
    - cmh89 4y ago
      Why would high performers want to work for him at Twitter though? Twitter and the toxic person who owns it isn't really going to be appealing for high performers.
    - pixelfarmer 4y ago
      I have yet to meet a single person who can actually do that much sustained work for long periods of time without consequences. I remember talking to some guy who supposedly worked 80-90h/week and started dissecting what he truly did. Ended up with ~30h of actual work. That is good, but it was also showing him how much inflated ego and bullshit he was carrying around. Let me add here that I have a lot of personal experience when it comes to long (actual) working hours and consequences from that. The moment you have to crosscheck all the things, run tests and whatnot, you are confronted in a more immediate way with all the mistakes. Most of these so called high performers fall apart when subjected to such a strict regime, because they are normal humans like everyone else. There are outliers, and these people have deficiencies in other areas because their brains work a bit different, so this doesn't come for free, either. Edit: Here, a nice link for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_fatigue_on_safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_fatigue_on_safety For example, where I live there is a group of stupid idiots called "doctors" (and I suppose this is not much different elsewhere on this planet), who think they can deal with long working hours. Imagine you end up in hospital with a doctor who had a long shift or is maybe on the 2nd shift already, because "it is no problem!" (problems can be fixed with pills). I have a little red book about high altitude sickness here, and doctors are high up in the list of professions to die from that. Pills cannot fix everything.
  - pschuegr 4y ago
    Got a source for the 25hr/week thing?
snotrockets 4y ago
Also both are famous for not being underwater thanks to government subsidies.
- memish 4y ago
  That's a decade old right wing talking point that was silly back then and even sillier after they were paid back with interest.
  - snotrockets 4y ago
    The loan he cheated to get is the least of it. Think carbon credit, federal and state subsidizing EVs, etc. And of course SpaceX, which wouldn't exists without government support. Mind you, getting gov contracts isn't an easy feat – but it's a completely different than being successful in selling to corporate clients, like Twitter did.

by comrh 4y ago

memish 4y ago

Not really. They are famous for advancing sustainable transport, re-usable rockets and Starlink.

pixelfarmer 4y ago
Brain work efficiency peaks at about 25h/week. Musk should know this, but obviously doesn't. Why is this important? Because humans make mistakes. And the rate at which we make mistakes raises with exhaustion. Actually working 40h/week (you know, not 40h being at work, but actual focused work) is draining your batteries massively, and I won't go into the 50h/week or more, because this is technically suicide and only works for very short periods (a week, 2 weeks is already a stretch by a long shot). Also note that the time to recover from this takes even longer, assuming you are given the time to actually do that. Sum this all up and Musk is doing a very stupid thing: He tells employees to be more inefficient and create more bugs and problems because they have to work long hours now for ... what exactly? If I were someone looking to do "black hat" things announcements like that are a golden sunrise in the morning, an opportunity in the waiting. From a business perspective this is just many levels of stupid.
- memish 4y ago
  Maybe as an average, but high performers can sustain more than 40h/week and that's who he is targeting.
  - cmh89 4y ago
    Why would high performers want to work for him at Twitter though? Twitter and the toxic person who owns it isn't really going to be appealing for high performers.
  - pixelfarmer 4y ago
    I have yet to meet a single person who can actually do that much sustained work for long periods of time without consequences. I remember talking to some guy who supposedly worked 80-90h/week and started dissecting what he truly did. Ended up with ~30h of actual work. That is good, but it was also showing him how much inflated ego and bullshit he was carrying around. Let me add here that I have a lot of personal experience when it comes to long (actual) working hours and consequences from that. The moment you have to crosscheck all the things, run tests and whatnot, you are confronted in a more immediate way with all the mistakes. Most of these so called high performers fall apart when subjected to such a strict regime, because they are normal humans like everyone else. There are outliers, and these people have deficiencies in other areas because their brains work a bit different, so this doesn't come for free, either. Edit: Here, a nice link for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_fatigue_on_safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_fatigue_on_safety For example, where I live there is a group of stupid idiots called "doctors" (and I suppose this is not much different elsewhere on this planet), who think they can deal with long working hours. Imagine you end up in hospital with a doctor who had a long shift or is maybe on the 2nd shift already, because "it is no problem!" (problems can be fixed with pills). I have a little red book about high altitude sickness here, and doctors are high up in the list of professions to die from that. Pills cannot fix everything.
- pschuegr 4y ago
  Got a source for the 25hr/week thing?

snotrockets 4y ago

Also both are famous for not being underwater thanks to government subsidies.

memish 4y ago
That's a decade old right wing talking point that was silly back then and even sillier after they were paid back with interest.
- snotrockets 4y ago
  The loan he cheated to get is the least of it. Think carbon credit, federal and state subsidizing EVs, etc. And of course SpaceX, which wouldn't exists without government support. Mind you, getting gov contracts isn't an easy feat – but it's a completely different than being successful in selling to corporate clients, like Twitter did.