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I don't really understand Elon's point of "hardcore" here. I get that for a startup like spacex, you really do need to be all-in. What's hardcore about Twitter

by aynyc 4y ago

I don't really understand Elon's point of "hardcore" here. I get that for a startup like spacex, you really do need to be all-in. What's hardcore about Twitter at this point?

jp42 4y ago
few things I can see from where this is coming from. 1. He wants people out if they don't want to work long hours. from experience I can tell, one negative person can slow team down 2. With so many layoffs, he is not worried about incoming talent 3. he always worked like that so he doesn't care what other people think & how other companies are ran. I don't like, he wont stop anyone.
Vervious 4y ago
And honestly, with how successful 9-9-6 culture has been in other parts of the world, maybe he's right and you can actually run a successful software enterprise without a corresponding bump in compensation. It makes a lot of sense if he can pay engineers less and still maintain the product.
nso95 4y ago
SpaceX a startup? 12,000 employees and 20 years old
- aynyc 4y ago
  Out of all the "tech" companies, SpaceX actually has a goal of getting people to Mars. In my view, it's not about age or headcount, it's about the stated goal of the company. Most companies don't really have a grand goal anymore. SpaceX is still far far away from that goal, so in a way, they are still in the startup stage.
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dakiol 4y ago
Why for SpaceX? It’s just a company, if you have kids and family that means you cannot/should not work for SpaceX? Crazy.
- aynyc 4y ago
  Every company has its culture. It's up to you to decide if that's what you want to join. If working "hardcore" is something you and your family is willing to accept, by all means, go for it.
tiernano 4y ago
I had a theory... could it be that if he forces enough people out, the company goes under and any debts the company holds are specific to Twitter... he is off the hook and could only lose a couple of billion, but not be on the hook for the full 44. I heard there were links between the debt and Tesla stock, but if the company goes under for a reason of "all employees left", could that be "not his fault"? Another option is that the previous stuff he worked on (Tesla, SpaceX, Paypal?) were game changers and had people wanting to work for them, and he thinks that Twitter is the same... But, my guess is it is not... people worked for twitter cause it was a good gig and paid well, but was not a game changer. If the culture changes overnight and now you have to work 20-50% more time with the same or less money and now less resources in house, screw that...
ManlyBread 4y ago
I think he overvalues the sentiment the current employees have for twitter. He thinks that going "hardcore" will weed out the unproductive and leave only the most motivated employees, but what it will most likely do is the complete opposite. The most talented employees are not going to put up with 12h work days because they have better career options that doesn't involve doing free overtime for one of the richest people on the planet.

by aynyc 4y ago

I don't really understand Elon's point of "hardcore" here. I get that for a startup like spacex, you really do need to be all-in. What's hardcore about Twitter at this point?

jp42 4y ago

few things I can see from where this is coming from. 1. He wants people out if they don't want to work long hours. from experience I can tell, one negative person can slow team down 2. With so many layoffs, he is not worried about incoming talent 3. he always worked like that so he doesn't care what other people think & how other companies are ran. I don't like, he wont stop anyone.

Vervious 4y ago

And honestly, with how successful 9-9-6 culture has been in other parts of the world, maybe he's right and you can actually run a successful software enterprise without a corresponding bump in compensation. It makes a lot of sense if he can pay engineers less and still maintain the product.

nso95 4y ago

SpaceX a startup? 12,000 employees and 20 years old

aynyc 4y ago
Out of all the "tech" companies, SpaceX actually has a goal of getting people to Mars. In my view, it's not about age or headcount, it's about the stated goal of the company. Most companies don't really have a grand goal anymore. SpaceX is still far far away from that goal, so in a way, they are still in the startup stage.
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dakiol 4y ago

Why for SpaceX? It’s just a company, if you have kids and family that means you cannot/should not work for SpaceX? Crazy.

aynyc 4y ago
Every company has its culture. It's up to you to decide if that's what you want to join. If working "hardcore" is something you and your family is willing to accept, by all means, go for it.

tiernano 4y ago

I had a theory... could it be that if he forces enough people out, the company goes under and any debts the company holds are specific to Twitter... he is off the hook and could only lose a couple of billion, but not be on the hook for the full 44. I heard there were links between the debt and Tesla stock, but if the company goes under for a reason of "all employees left", could that be "not his fault"? Another option is that the previous stuff he worked on (Tesla, SpaceX, Paypal?) were game changers and had people wanting to work for them, and he thinks that Twitter is the same... But, my guess is it is not... people worked for twitter cause it was a good gig and paid well, but was not a game changer. If the culture changes overnight and now you have to work 20-50% more time with the same or less money and now less resources in house, screw that...

ManlyBread 4y ago

I think he overvalues the sentiment the current employees have for twitter. He thinks that going "hardcore" will weed out the unproductive and leave only the most motivated employees, but what it will most likely do is the complete opposite. The most talented employees are not going to put up with 12h work days because they have better career options that doesn't involve doing free overtime for one of the richest people on the planet.