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Wait till these people find out about cars.

constantcrying 4y ago
EVs usally burn worse than regular cars, their batteries are very hard to put out. In a combustion engine the tank is relatively small and easily sealed off from air supply, the same isn't true for the large batteries of EVs.
- vegardx 4y ago
  If the battery packs in EVs wasn't sealed off from air it would spontaneously start to burn. So... The reality is that ICE vehicles burn at a rate almost 10 times that of BEV vehicles.
  - constantcrying 4y ago
    >If the battery packs in EVs wasn't sealed off from air it would spontaneously start to burn. So... I think you are missing the point here. >The reality is that ICE vehicles burn at a rate almost 10 times that of BEV vehicles. I am not clear what you mean by "rate" here. Incidents? Speed of burning down? From being involved with firefighting I can tell you that EVs are very difficult fires, which are significantly harder to combat than regular car fires.
mc32 4y ago
I wonder if insurance will (maybe it has) begin factoring in e-(transportation) for home and other insurance policies.
- xsmasher 4y ago
  I expect that the pushback will come from insurance companies; a letter from the insurance company saying "we won't cover you if an e-bike catches fire" becomes a letter from the landlord saying "we will evict if you store an e-bike in your apartment."
BoorishBears 4y ago
This is nothing like the current usage of cars. This is more like if everyone suddenly started fueling their cars in their kitchens. My NYC apartment had a 3 story garage underneath it, but with modern engineering standards you could probably burn a car to ash and not get much more than a few whiffs of smoke in the lobby These scooters and bikes are bursting into flames in people's apartments, and unlike cars, no one is engineering around their storage and charging. Often times these things burst in flames in the main living area, completely blocking off escape. - If you actually look at the landscape for these devices, it's clear that this isn't fear mongering. There are boatloads of poorly designed bikes arriving in the city that are liable to go up in flames because they were designed with the bare minimum in safety features. Your car went through millions of dollars of testing to be allowed on streets, that's why Pinto-like situations are not a dime a dozen occurrence. These bikes go through getting a fake UL sticker slapped on and not much more.
- ericbarrett 4y ago
  Right, car fires are not a good comparison because you don't park your car in your hallway, or leaned up against your bed, or hanging inverted a foot from the ceiling.
  - yakak 4y ago
    Some people spend a lot of time locking themselves directly into these little inferno chambers. The only fire deaths I've directly seen were in cars. Naturally they are more visible than houses, but also so common that they don't make the news.
    - BoorishBears 4y ago
      A car fire in NYC is news.
      - yakak 4y ago
        Taking 1% of US statistics for NYC, there should be around 1100 car fires, with 4 deaths. I'm not sure those deaths would be clearly identified as a car fire as opposed to a generic fatal accident. A fire in a tunnel, basement parking lot or engulfing multiple cars, OTOH.

EVs usally burn worse than regular cars, their batteries are very hard to put out. In a combustion engine the tank is relatively small and easily sealed off from air supply, the same isn't true for the large batteries of EVs.

vegardx 4y ago
If the battery packs in EVs wasn't sealed off from air it would spontaneously start to burn. So... The reality is that ICE vehicles burn at a rate almost 10 times that of BEV vehicles.
- constantcrying 4y ago
  >If the battery packs in EVs wasn't sealed off from air it would spontaneously start to burn. So... I think you are missing the point here. >The reality is that ICE vehicles burn at a rate almost 10 times that of BEV vehicles. I am not clear what you mean by "rate" here. Incidents? Speed of burning down? From being involved with firefighting I can tell you that EVs are very difficult fires, which are significantly harder to combat than regular car fires.

mc32 4y ago

I wonder if insurance will (maybe it has) begin factoring in e-(transportation) for home and other insurance policies.

xsmasher 4y ago
I expect that the pushback will come from insurance companies; a letter from the insurance company saying "we won't cover you if an e-bike catches fire" becomes a letter from the landlord saying "we will evict if you store an e-bike in your apartment."

BoorishBears 4y ago

This is nothing like the current usage of cars. This is more like if everyone suddenly started fueling their cars in their kitchens. My NYC apartment had a 3 story garage underneath it, but with modern engineering standards you could probably burn a car to ash and not get much more than a few whiffs of smoke in the lobby These scooters and bikes are bursting into flames in people's apartments, and unlike cars, no one is engineering around their storage and charging. Often times these things burst in flames in the main living area, completely blocking off escape. - If you actually look at the landscape for these devices, it's clear that this isn't fear mongering. There are boatloads of poorly designed bikes arriving in the city that are liable to go up in flames because they were designed with the bare minimum in safety features. Your car went through millions of dollars of testing to be allowed on streets, that's why Pinto-like situations are not a dime a dozen occurrence. These bikes go through getting a fake UL sticker slapped on and not much more.

ericbarrett 4y ago
Right, car fires are not a good comparison because you don't park your car in your hallway, or leaned up against your bed, or hanging inverted a foot from the ceiling.
- yakak 4y ago
  Some people spend a lot of time locking themselves directly into these little inferno chambers. The only fire deaths I've directly seen were in cars. Naturally they are more visible than houses, but also so common that they don't make the news.
  - BoorishBears 4y ago
    A car fire in NYC is news.
    - yakak 4y ago
      Taking 1% of US statistics for NYC, there should be around 1100 car fires, with 4 deaths. I'm not sure those deaths would be clearly identified as a car fire as opposed to a generic fatal accident. A fire in a tunnel, basement parking lot or engulfing multiple cars, OTOH.