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"Telnet... [is] an old protocol..." Ok. Telnet is a protocol, it is not synonymous with TCP. As for unencrypted traffic generally, I see no reason for fetishi
by m3047 4y ago
"Telnet... [is] an old protocol..."
Ok. Telnet is a protocol, it is not synonymous with TCP.
As for unencrypted traffic generally, I see no reason for fetishizing encryption. "Compute" is not synonymous with teh cloudz. Cloud tech is not synonymous with teh cloudz. It's trivial to put e.g. Nginx in front of something.
If you need encryption between 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.0.42 you clearly don't trust the hardware you're running on; I'm sure someone's got some clever way of hiding the private keys, but "clever" doesn't mean provably secure. Between containers... meh. Show me you thought about it and have a threat model.
Between datacenters... not so much. Do I care whether the connection is encrypted, or whether all traffic goes through a tunnel? I'd like to see a threat model. Is sigint included?
Even across the globe I might make an exception for a well-reasoned argument. That would almost certainly have to be data which was an observable: the time, a flow rate. Encryption is not the same as tamper-proof. Even unencrypted data might need defense against that. (Maybe secrecy is easier than nonrepudiability. Maybe.)
Secrecy is not identical to privacy. Security is not identical to either of those, and hypervigilance isn't the same as not needing to be concerned with something (these days security can be either of those). Observability might be more important than either secrecy or privacy depending on the application, and who is doing the observing.
A lot of it depends on where you demarc your rings of hell and how you defend things.
I send data in the clear sometimes and I'm ok with it. I also use a telnet client for decidedly "not telnet protocol" purposes related to diagnostics as well as observability.
- worldsavior 4y agoI dont see why a thread model is needed here, encryption is always important, especially in big corps. It seems like you're stating that a normal person doesnt need security.