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The Pacific theatre was a whole other war fought simultaneously with the latter half of the other one. The Soviets killed up to 15 million of their own before
by pencilguin 4y ago
The Pacific theatre was a whole other war fought simultaneously with the latter half of the other one.
The Soviets killed up to 15 million of their own before the war even started. (This number may be an overestimate because most locales had been required to overreport their own population over the past century, such that when an accurate census was conducted, the new number lacked both those killed and also the overreports.) How many million Ukrainians were deliberately starved before the war? 2 million? 4 million? (We may compare this to Churchill personally arranging to starve 3 million in and near what is now Bangladesh, around that time.)
Neither Germans nor Soviets saw any reason to bother feeding or sheltering their POWs. Soviet POWs were treated as deserters and sent to the GULag on their return, along with many thousands of Cossacks who had escaped well before the war, and were rounded up and sent back.
We need not doubt that there was a great deal of ineptitude in the Soviet officer corps, which had been mostly exterminated before the war and then repopulated according to purely political criteria. And, we need not doubt extreme disregard for the lives of conscripts, both Soviet and many, many others shanghaied from occupied territory.
None of this is to minimize the heroism of the people sent to fight against the Nazis, subject to attacks both from their own government and from a foreign invader. Fairly early in the war (1940?) the NKVD was ordered to abandon its quota of deserters to be shot from the rear for not advancing eagerly enough.
- the_af 4y agoYes about the purges and initial ineptitude, but this doesn't address the fact that as the war went on, the Soviets became strategic masters, especially at the operational level, and even improving on breakthrough tactics commonly attributed to early war Germany. It's not true that they won due to "disregard" of their own casualties, this is outdated thinking mostly propagated from postwar German memories. The "asiatic hordes" is a German-created myth, for example. It was necessary for them, because of their cognitive dissonance that made it difficult to accept being beaten by apparently "racially inferior" enemies. How else could they explain it? Was the enemy outthinking them? Impossible, they were genetically inferior. So it must be that they were simply too many and didn't care about piling bodies and bodies until they won. Also, the Cold War made it necessary for German officers to show themselves as useful to their new American allies, so that they could provide valuable insight into how to battle the Soviet Union. If they could show themselves to be brilliant, only beaten by an unfair superiority of the enemy hordes, Hitler's meddling, etc, so much the better.