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You can run VMWare Workstation with Hyper-V enabled now: https://blogs.vmware.com/workstation/2020/05/vmware-workstation-now-supports-hyper-v-mode.html https://

You can run VMWare Workstation with Hyper-V enabled now: https://blogs.vmware.com/workstation/2020/05/vmware-workstation-now-supports-hyper-v-mode.html https://blogs.vmware.com/workstation/2020/05/vmware-workstat...

bravetraveler 4y ago
Ah, awesome! That's a good step, I'll give it a try the next time I find myself on Windows. I'm curious if the seemingly choppy display stuff continues, it has been quite a while. As much as it pains me, I have to avoid Hyper-V generally for anti-cheat client compatibility
- bpye 4y ago
  > As much as it pains me, I have to avoid Hyper-V generally for anti-cheat client compatibility Which anti cheat clients still have trouble with Hyper-V?
  - bravetraveler 4y ago
    ESEA is the one on my mind - service I participate w/ for CS:GO. Partner of ESL, leagues/practice on servers better than first party (128 tick vs 66) ref: https://support.esea.net/hc/en-us/articles/360008741974-Error-1006-1008-114-and-119-Hypervisor-launch-type-must-be-set-to-off-before-launching-the-ESEA-Client- https://support.esea.net/hc/en-us/articles/360008741974-Erro... There are others, I think Valorant complained... but I gave up when I couldn't mask it
  - bravetraveler 4y ago
    To expand (I can't edit now)... ESEA anti-cheat is posited as Hyper-V specific, but it's actually against being virtualized in general. I was able to work around this with KVM on Linux with a GPU passed to a Windows VM. I tweaked the libvirt XMLs (VM definitions) a few key ways and was able to convince ESEA it's bare metal, but not Valorant. I never got to play it, but it's fine by me :) This combination works well enough, I only boot up Windows when I need a couple anti-cheats I've managed to trick (that also can't work in Proton)
- anderspitman 4y ago
  I know WSL2 only requires a part of Hyper-V to run ("Virtual Machine Platform"). This also allows it to work on Windows Home. I wonder if anti-cheat systems will be able to do there jobs while still allowing WSL2 to be used. I don't know enough about how Hyper-V is used to circumvent anti-cheating.
anderspitman 4y ago
It's worth noting that there have been reports of performance degradation running VMWare alongside Hyper-V[0]. Don't get me wrong, I love what Microsoft is doing with Windows Hypervisor Platform (WHP/WHPX). There's even experimental support for running accelerated QEMU VMs on Windows Hosts[1]. Hopefully these performance issues improve over time. [0]: https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Workstation-Player/Huge-performance-drop-of-VMWare-Player-guest-running-on-Windows/td-p/2808460 https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Workstation-Player/... [1]: https://qemu.weilnetz.de/ https://qemu.weilnetz.de/

bravetraveler 4y ago

Ah, awesome! That's a good step, I'll give it a try the next time I find myself on Windows. I'm curious if the seemingly choppy display stuff continues, it has been quite a while. As much as it pains me, I have to avoid Hyper-V generally for anti-cheat client compatibility

bpye 4y ago
> As much as it pains me, I have to avoid Hyper-V generally for anti-cheat client compatibility Which anti cheat clients still have trouble with Hyper-V?
- bravetraveler 4y ago
  ESEA is the one on my mind - service I participate w/ for CS:GO. Partner of ESL, leagues/practice on servers better than first party (128 tick vs 66) ref: https://support.esea.net/hc/en-us/articles/360008741974-Error-1006-1008-114-and-119-Hypervisor-launch-type-must-be-set-to-off-before-launching-the-ESEA-Client- https://support.esea.net/hc/en-us/articles/360008741974-Erro... There are others, I think Valorant complained... but I gave up when I couldn't mask it
- bravetraveler 4y ago
  To expand (I can't edit now)... ESEA anti-cheat is posited as Hyper-V specific, but it's actually against being virtualized in general. I was able to work around this with KVM on Linux with a GPU passed to a Windows VM. I tweaked the libvirt XMLs (VM definitions) a few key ways and was able to convince ESEA it's bare metal, but not Valorant. I never got to play it, but it's fine by me :) This combination works well enough, I only boot up Windows when I need a couple anti-cheats I've managed to trick (that also can't work in Proton)
anderspitman 4y ago
I know WSL2 only requires a part of Hyper-V to run ("Virtual Machine Platform"). This also allows it to work on Windows Home. I wonder if anti-cheat systems will be able to do there jobs while still allowing WSL2 to be used. I don't know enough about how Hyper-V is used to circumvent anti-cheating.

anderspitman 4y ago

It's worth noting that there have been reports of performance degradation running VMWare alongside Hyper-V[0]. Don't get me wrong, I love what Microsoft is doing with Windows Hypervisor Platform (WHP/WHPX). There's even experimental support for running accelerated QEMU VMs on Windows Hosts[1]. Hopefully these performance issues improve over time. [0]: https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Workstation-Player/Huge-performance-drop-of-VMWare-Player-guest-running-on-Windows/td-p/2808460 https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Workstation-Player/... [1]: https://qemu.weilnetz.de/ https://qemu.weilnetz.de/