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Compensation should be based on output. If hours translates to more output (like an assembly line worker or something) - great. Simply pay hourly and require mi

Compensation should be based on output. If hours translates to more output (like an assembly line worker or something) - great. Simply pay hourly and require minimum amount of hours (like 40) with options for "go-getters" to work more if they want. Plenty of jobs (like a lot of tech) should be based on "if you're producing what we need from you (or more if you want) we're happy" regardless of the hours.

nottorp 4y ago
Except in tech you get metrics like lines of code instead then ;) Although it would be nice to be paid by line of code. Except in python or any other language where line ends are significant.
yrgulation 4y ago
I am always fascinated by people who want to earn less, pay more in tax, have less rights, etc. Curious, why would want to be paid by the hour instead of getting the same pay for less hours as this experiment would want to do? Technically thats a pay raise and better for your quality of life.
- banannaise 4y ago
  It's the cult of the entrepreneur, with a splash of anarcho-capitalism. Worker exploitation is impossible because employment is a mutual agreement, and individuals should be empowered to agree to work in arbitrarily bad conditions for arbitrarily long hours, because that preserves the meritocracy for those who work the hardest for the longest.
cdkmoose 4y ago
How would you measure output? How do you measure "what we need from you"? As a software engineer a fair percent of my time was spent in collaboration that sometimes manifested itself in someone else's "output". Not advocating that hours are the best measure, but there does need to be an accounting of my time being available for others and not focused on my "output"
- welshwelsh 4y ago
  You need to negotiate and agree upon output metrics as a team. Story points can easily be translated to dollars. If an engineer and a product manager can agree that a story is worth 3 points, they can agree that it's worth, say, $1,500. Whether the work ends up taking 30 minutes or 30 days, neither party can complain because they both agreed on a price.

nottorp 4y ago

Except in tech you get metrics like lines of code instead then ;) Although it would be nice to be paid by line of code. Except in python or any other language where line ends are significant.

yrgulation 4y ago

I am always fascinated by people who want to earn less, pay more in tax, have less rights, etc. Curious, why would want to be paid by the hour instead of getting the same pay for less hours as this experiment would want to do? Technically thats a pay raise and better for your quality of life.

banannaise 4y ago
It's the cult of the entrepreneur, with a splash of anarcho-capitalism. Worker exploitation is impossible because employment is a mutual agreement, and individuals should be empowered to agree to work in arbitrarily bad conditions for arbitrarily long hours, because that preserves the meritocracy for those who work the hardest for the longest.

cdkmoose 4y ago

How would you measure output? How do you measure "what we need from you"? As a software engineer a fair percent of my time was spent in collaboration that sometimes manifested itself in someone else's "output". Not advocating that hours are the best measure, but there does need to be an accounting of my time being available for others and not focused on my "output"

welshwelsh 4y ago
You need to negotiate and agree upon output metrics as a team. Story points can easily be translated to dollars. If an engineer and a product manager can agree that a story is worth 3 points, they can agree that it's worth, say, $1,500. Whether the work ends up taking 30 minutes or 30 days, neither party can complain because they both agreed on a price.