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Genius: We Caught Google 'Red Handed' Stealing Lyrics Data (2019)

36 points by berkeleyjunk 4y ago

sigmonsays 4y ago
Nothing will happen to google, they already passed blame. Too bad too. The actual content creators are getting taken out of the loop and google sits there pleading ignorance.
- JadeNB 4y ago
  While there's a lot of stuff Google does wrong, it's not clear to me (except in cases, such as mentioned in the article, where the artist themselves officially gives the lyrics to Genius) that "displaying lyrics from another site that also doesn't own them" is the crime for which they should be hanged.
advisedwang 4y ago
The lawsuit failed [1], Genius appealed [2], which also failed. Genius doesn't own the copyright on lyrics! [1] https://completemusicupdate.com/article/genius-lyric-theft-complaint-against-google-fails-because-its-a-copyright-case-without-a-copyright-owner/ https://completemusicupdate.com/article/genius-lyric-theft-c... [2] https://completemusicupdate.com/article/genius-tries-to-get-its-lyric-lifting-lawsuit-against-google-reinstated/ https://completemusicupdate.com/article/genius-tries-to-get-... [3] https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/03/11/google-lyricfind-genius-lawsuit/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/03/11/google-lyricfind...
soyiuz 4y ago
This is from 2019. In March of 2022 Google won the case. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/11/22973282/google-wins-court-battle-genius-song-lyrics-copyright https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/11/22973282/google-wins-cour... Neither owns the copyright, and therefore cannot claim infringement. The irony is that Rap Genius began by publishing lyrics without permission.
tracerbulletx 4y ago
Google uses indexed sites to build up their knowledge graph and semantic understanding of concepts occurring in search, both via explicit JSON-LD semantic tags, and their own inferences. Any feature on google that seems to understand that what you just searched for is a song or a recipe or a company or a person or a movie the data came from some page in the index. Which of course includes lyrics.
DoItToMe81 4y ago
Lyrics data? LMAO. You don't own the lyrics, nor do you have some stake over words.

36 points by berkeleyjunk 4y ago

Nothing will happen to google, they already passed blame. Too bad too. The actual content creators are getting taken out of the loop and google sits there pleading ignorance.

JadeNB 4y ago
While there's a lot of stuff Google does wrong, it's not clear to me (except in cases, such as mentioned in the article, where the artist themselves officially gives the lyrics to Genius) that "displaying lyrics from another site that also doesn't own them" is the crime for which they should be hanged.

advisedwang 4y ago

The lawsuit failed [1], Genius appealed [2], which also failed. Genius doesn't own the copyright on lyrics! [1] https://completemusicupdate.com/article/genius-lyric-theft-complaint-against-google-fails-because-its-a-copyright-case-without-a-copyright-owner/ https://completemusicupdate.com/article/genius-lyric-theft-c... [2] https://completemusicupdate.com/article/genius-tries-to-get-its-lyric-lifting-lawsuit-against-google-reinstated/ https://completemusicupdate.com/article/genius-tries-to-get-... [3] https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/03/11/google-lyricfind-genius-lawsuit/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/03/11/google-lyricfind...

soyiuz 4y ago

This is from 2019. In March of 2022 Google won the case. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/11/22973282/google-wins-court-battle-genius-song-lyrics-copyright https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/11/22973282/google-wins-cour... Neither owns the copyright, and therefore cannot claim infringement. The irony is that Rap Genius began by publishing lyrics without permission.

tracerbulletx 4y ago

Google uses indexed sites to build up their knowledge graph and semantic understanding of concepts occurring in search, both via explicit JSON-LD semantic tags, and their own inferences. Any feature on google that seems to understand that what you just searched for is a song or a recipe or a company or a person or a movie the data came from some page in the index. Which of course includes lyrics.

DoItToMe81 4y ago

Lyrics data? LMAO. You don't own the lyrics, nor do you have some stake over words.