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This is not the case. Often the "politically correct" version is not actually more correct, but is replacing some common phrase that is declared obnoxious by s

This is not the case. Often the "politically correct" version is not actually more correct, but is replacing some common phrase that is declared obnoxious by some very small unrepresentative minority of people who coincidentally make their living as activists. Yes you can be houseless but not homeless, but you can also be homeless and not houseless. It's an utterly stupid distinction predicated on an intentionally incorrect, close, and literal minded reading of the term, done for political reasons.

cnity 4y ago
You're downvoted by not far off to be honest. See also: the Euphemism Treadmill[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Lifespan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Lifespan
mc32 4y ago
Some iconic precursors to PC speech was the redefinition of role titles. Janitor which everyone was familiar with would be replaced with "sanitation engineer" or something similar which conveyed less what the person did do.
- Cthulhu_ 4y ago
  It kinda sounds like classism or wage related; "janitor" or "cleaner" sounds common, a "sanitation engineer" or "chief housekeeping manager" sounds like they would earn more.
  - mc32 4y ago
    Would I prefer to be a Janitor earning $20/hr or would I prefer being a sanitation engineer earning $15/hr. Sounds like I'm trading title for less money. There is probably some relationship with the now passe "rock star" "ninja".
- Lio 4y ago
  I think it's worse than that because it actually devalues the role of engineer, and the role of janitor by presenting it as something it's not. A sanitation engineer sounds like someone that knows how to safely build sewers or run a sewage processing plant. i.e. something you'd have a formal education and be accredited for. With respect for honest hardworking janitors everywhere, that's not the same thing as minor plumbing or ensuring that places are properly cleaned. Neither task is engineering. - “I understand that you’re a neurosurgeon.” (Bert grins.) “…No; I’m a barber. But a lot of people make that mistake.”
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  Right, but that's a fictional example. No-one has actually unironically called a janitor a "sanitation engineer".
  - mc32 4y ago
    Not so fast: Brand Evangelist (Marketing) Outplacement consultant (someone who comes in to fire people) Flueologist (Chimneysweep) Loss prevention officer (Security guard) Waste removal engineer (trashman/trashwoman) https://www.businessinsider.com/recruiting-firm-shares-the-50-weirdest-job-titles-theyve-ever-seen-2012-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/recruiting-firm-shares-the-5...
    - Gordonjcp 4y ago
      So a clickbait piece in on a Buzzfeed-style site?
      - mc32 4y ago
        It’s fluff (trivia) but it’s real. Those titles exist. If buzzfeed has a listicle of the most populous cities, Does that mean those cities are not real?
Karawebnetwork 4y ago
"first, do no harm" includes psychological safety. To use a bold example, there's a difference between telling your client they are "overweight" and telling them they are a "fat ass".
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  Psychological safety is utterly subjective. There cannot be a general ruleset. Although of course most doctors will not call you a fat ass. Maybe if he knows you more closely...
- kergonath 4y ago
  I think I agree with the sentiment, but being overweight is a characteristic of someone’s body. A fat arse is a part of a body. You can be overweight without a fat arse and vice versa, those are not identical. I would naïvely think that “fat arse” is vulgar or insulting enough (or at the very least way too informal) not to use it with someone you’re not familiar with. This has nothing to do with political correctness. You can ruin some people’s day by calling them ginger. I would expect a psychologist to be sensitive to this sort of things (do no harm, indeed), but that’s not a good reason to make everyone stop using that word.
- arise 4y ago
  Sometimes the brutal truth is the best anecdote. Does it hurt? Yes, but so do needles and countless other medical procedures. Pain != harm.
- P_I_Staker 4y ago
  It doesn't. Doctor's and psychs feel entitled to treat their patients in any abusive and harmful manor. It won't matter, because nobody would believe the anyway. A huge percentage of Doctor's are abusive scumbags. Everything you hear about medical ethics, they do the opposite. They are bigoted, and emotionally abusive, gaslighting monsters, who stubbornly refuse to self reflect.

cnity 4y ago

You're downvoted by not far off to be honest. See also: the Euphemism Treadmill[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Lifespan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Lifespan

mc32 4y ago

Some iconic precursors to PC speech was the redefinition of role titles. Janitor which everyone was familiar with would be replaced with "sanitation engineer" or something similar which conveyed less what the person did do.

Cthulhu_ 4y ago
It kinda sounds like classism or wage related; "janitor" or "cleaner" sounds common, a "sanitation engineer" or "chief housekeeping manager" sounds like they would earn more.
- mc32 4y ago
  Would I prefer to be a Janitor earning $20/hr or would I prefer being a sanitation engineer earning $15/hr. Sounds like I'm trading title for less money. There is probably some relationship with the now passe "rock star" "ninja".
Lio 4y ago
I think it's worse than that because it actually devalues the role of engineer, and the role of janitor by presenting it as something it's not. A sanitation engineer sounds like someone that knows how to safely build sewers or run a sewage processing plant. i.e. something you'd have a formal education and be accredited for. With respect for honest hardworking janitors everywhere, that's not the same thing as minor plumbing or ensuring that places are properly cleaned. Neither task is engineering. - “I understand that you’re a neurosurgeon.” (Bert grins.) “…No; I’m a barber. But a lot of people make that mistake.”
Gordonjcp 4y ago
Right, but that's a fictional example. No-one has actually unironically called a janitor a "sanitation engineer".
- mc32 4y ago
  Not so fast: Brand Evangelist (Marketing) Outplacement consultant (someone who comes in to fire people) Flueologist (Chimneysweep) Loss prevention officer (Security guard) Waste removal engineer (trashman/trashwoman) https://www.businessinsider.com/recruiting-firm-shares-the-50-weirdest-job-titles-theyve-ever-seen-2012-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/recruiting-firm-shares-the-5...
  - Gordonjcp 4y ago
    So a clickbait piece in on a Buzzfeed-style site?
    - mc32 4y ago
      It’s fluff (trivia) but it’s real. Those titles exist. If buzzfeed has a listicle of the most populous cities, Does that mean those cities are not real?

Karawebnetwork 4y ago

"first, do no harm" includes psychological safety. To use a bold example, there's a difference between telling your client they are "overweight" and telling them they are a "fat ass".

raxxorraxor 4y ago
Psychological safety is utterly subjective. There cannot be a general ruleset. Although of course most doctors will not call you a fat ass. Maybe if he knows you more closely...
kergonath 4y ago
I think I agree with the sentiment, but being overweight is a characteristic of someone’s body. A fat arse is a part of a body. You can be overweight without a fat arse and vice versa, those are not identical. I would naïvely think that “fat arse” is vulgar or insulting enough (or at the very least way too informal) not to use it with someone you’re not familiar with. This has nothing to do with political correctness. You can ruin some people’s day by calling them ginger. I would expect a psychologist to be sensitive to this sort of things (do no harm, indeed), but that’s not a good reason to make everyone stop using that word.
arise 4y ago
Sometimes the brutal truth is the best anecdote. Does it hurt? Yes, but so do needles and countless other medical procedures. Pain != harm.
P_I_Staker 4y ago
It doesn't. Doctor's and psychs feel entitled to treat their patients in any abusive and harmful manor. It won't matter, because nobody would believe the anyway. A huge percentage of Doctor's are abusive scumbags. Everything you hear about medical ethics, they do the opposite. They are bigoted, and emotionally abusive, gaslighting monsters, who stubbornly refuse to self reflect.