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I don't see the difference. Both "Politically Correct" and "Psychiatrically Correct" are addressing the same concern of misconceptions due to inaccurate or mis

by lupire 4y ago

I don't see the difference. Both "Politically Correct" and "Psychiatrically Correct" are addressing the same concern of misconceptions due to inaccurate or misleading language. You can be houseless but not homeless, and still need help with your housing.

feet 4y ago
It sounds like there are some misconceptions about "political correctness"
ltbarcly3 4y ago
This is not the case. Often the "politically correct" version is not actually more correct, but is replacing some common phrase that is declared obnoxious by some very small unrepresentative minority of people who coincidentally make their living as activists. Yes you can be houseless but not homeless, but you can also be homeless and not houseless. It's an utterly stupid distinction predicated on an intentionally incorrect, close, and literal minded reading of the term, done for political reasons.
- cnity 4y ago
  You're downvoted by not far off to be honest. See also: the Euphemism Treadmill[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Lifespan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Lifespan
- mc32 4y ago
  Some iconic precursors to PC speech was the redefinition of role titles. Janitor which everyone was familiar with would be replaced with "sanitation engineer" or something similar which conveyed less what the person did do.
  - Cthulhu_ 4y ago
    It kinda sounds like classism or wage related; "janitor" or "cleaner" sounds common, a "sanitation engineer" or "chief housekeeping manager" sounds like they would earn more.
    - mc32 4y ago
      Would I prefer to be a Janitor earning $20/hr or would I prefer being a sanitation engineer earning $15/hr. Sounds like I'm trading title for less money. There is probably some relationship with the now passe "rock star" "ninja".
  - Lio 4y ago
    I think it's worse than that because it actually devalues the role of engineer, and the role of janitor by presenting it as something it's not. A sanitation engineer sounds like someone that knows how to safely build sewers or run a sewage processing plant. i.e. something you'd have a formal education and be accredited for. With respect for honest hardworking janitors everywhere, that's not the same thing as minor plumbing or ensuring that places are properly cleaned. Neither task is engineering. - “I understand that you’re a neurosurgeon.” (Bert grins.) “…No; I’m a barber. But a lot of people make that mistake.”
  - Gordonjcp 4y ago
    Right, but that's a fictional example. No-one has actually unironically called a janitor a "sanitation engineer".
    - mc32 4y ago
      Not so fast: Brand Evangelist (Marketing) Outplacement consultant (someone who comes in to fire people) Flueologist (Chimneysweep) Loss prevention officer (Security guard) Waste removal engineer (trashman/trashwoman) https://www.businessinsider.com/recruiting-firm-shares-the-50-weirdest-job-titles-theyve-ever-seen-2012-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/recruiting-firm-shares-the-5...
      - Gordonjcp 4y ago
        So a clickbait piece in on a Buzzfeed-style site?
        mc32 4y ago
        It’s fluff (trivia) but it’s real. Those titles exist. If buzzfeed has a listicle of the most populous cities, Does that mean those cities are not real?
- Karawebnetwork 4y ago
  "first, do no harm" includes psychological safety. To use a bold example, there's a difference between telling your client they are "overweight" and telling them they are a "fat ass".
  - raxxorraxor 4y ago
    Psychological safety is utterly subjective. There cannot be a general ruleset. Although of course most doctors will not call you a fat ass. Maybe if he knows you more closely...
  - kergonath 4y ago
    I think I agree with the sentiment, but being overweight is a characteristic of someone’s body. A fat arse is a part of a body. You can be overweight without a fat arse and vice versa, those are not identical. I would naïvely think that “fat arse” is vulgar or insulting enough (or at the very least way too informal) not to use it with someone you’re not familiar with. This has nothing to do with political correctness. You can ruin some people’s day by calling them ginger. I would expect a psychologist to be sensitive to this sort of things (do no harm, indeed), but that’s not a good reason to make everyone stop using that word.
  - arise 4y ago
    Sometimes the brutal truth is the best anecdote. Does it hurt? Yes, but so do needles and countless other medical procedures. Pain != harm.
  - P_I_Staker 4y ago
    It doesn't. Doctor's and psychs feel entitled to treat their patients in any abusive and harmful manor. It won't matter, because nobody would believe the anyway. A huge percentage of Doctor's are abusive scumbags. Everything you hear about medical ethics, they do the opposite. They are bigoted, and emotionally abusive, gaslighting monsters, who stubbornly refuse to self reflect.
MichaelCollins 4y ago
Huh? If you live in a condo, you have no house but you are not homeless. A house is only one kind of shelter that can be a home, of many.
- Cthulhu_ 4y ago
  It could also refer to the difference between living in someone's spare room, couch surfing, or living in a camper van vs having a home (rented or bought).
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    > living in someone's spare room Children living with their parents don't own houses, but they aren't homeless either. Or adults for that matter. For a few years in college I lived in a spare room in my grandparent's house. I had no house of my own, but I certainly felt welcome and wasn't homeless by any means.
    - rad88 4y ago
      There is no meaning of "housed" that implies "owns a house".
AnonCoward42 4y ago
Unhoused vs homeless looks like a good example of a euphemism treatmill (in progress). Their state is not being altered by the "finer" wording instead it sounds pretentious and condescending. There are a lot of these political correct terms that are being used more cynically by now, however I'd prefer to not open that can of worms.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Good example of this from the article: "alcohol use disorder (formerly called alcoholism)"
  - altruios 4y ago
    pedantically, I find alcohol use disorder more accurate to my internal definition of condition and disease. What we call things matter: as even slight changes in wording affect how people perceive things - so great care should be use when deciding what vernacular we should adopt generally.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - hirvi74 4y ago
      In my mind, an alcoholic is someone that has a dependency on alcohol, but not all people with AUD have a dependency on alcohol. For example, I think binge-drinking consistently (college students on weekends, for example) can be considered to have a mild AUD, but that person is not necessarily an "alcoholic" -- at least not what the average person considers to be an an alcoholic. (If anyone knows more, feel free to correct me)
      - altruios 4y ago
        It makes sense to have a distinction between the word disease and condition and a disorder. A disease particular is from a foreign agent: bactierial/fungal/viral/prionic/parasitic. a condition or disorder is an integral structure on awry, or rewritten (by chemicals or by viewing data) to go awry: the key distinction between this and disease being that there is no other 'lifeform' (yes - include viruses for simplicity's sake). so alcohol use disorder vs alcoholism reflects a more accurate state of reality. (there is no bacteria/fungus/prion/parasite/virus that is the CAUSE of alcoholism - a chemical rewrote your brain which has been damaged to potentially require alcohol to survive). the push back I've encountered had nothing to do with being 'correct'/'sensible' and had everything to do with protecting the feelings of people suffering from AUD - which is not a worthwhile goal to coddle people with fluffy medical terms in the aims of removing responsibility from one's self... ... sorry for the rant :)
raxxorraxor 4y ago
No, political correct is most often the opposite. It tries to obfuscate. Certainly not gain precision.
- LAC-Tech 4y ago
  You're looking at it too literally. Enforcing others to change their language is mostly about power. Any feel good explanations of why it needs to change is justification for executing that power.
  - raxxorraxor 4y ago
    True, it is about the prerogative of interpretation and to backhandedly assign motivation to someone that uses certain terms to mostly discredit them. There are some that just mean well, but even then, the method is questionable.

by lupire 4y ago

feet 4y ago

It sounds like there are some misconceptions about "political correctness"

ltbarcly3 4y ago

This is not the case. Often the "politically correct" version is not actually more correct, but is replacing some common phrase that is declared obnoxious by some very small unrepresentative minority of people who coincidentally make their living as activists. Yes you can be houseless but not homeless, but you can also be homeless and not houseless. It's an utterly stupid distinction predicated on an intentionally incorrect, close, and literal minded reading of the term, done for political reasons.

cnity 4y ago
You're downvoted by not far off to be honest. See also: the Euphemism Treadmill[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Lifespan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Lifespan
mc32 4y ago
Some iconic precursors to PC speech was the redefinition of role titles. Janitor which everyone was familiar with would be replaced with "sanitation engineer" or something similar which conveyed less what the person did do.
- Cthulhu_ 4y ago
  It kinda sounds like classism or wage related; "janitor" or "cleaner" sounds common, a "sanitation engineer" or "chief housekeeping manager" sounds like they would earn more.
  - mc32 4y ago
    Would I prefer to be a Janitor earning $20/hr or would I prefer being a sanitation engineer earning $15/hr. Sounds like I'm trading title for less money. There is probably some relationship with the now passe "rock star" "ninja".
- Lio 4y ago
  I think it's worse than that because it actually devalues the role of engineer, and the role of janitor by presenting it as something it's not. A sanitation engineer sounds like someone that knows how to safely build sewers or run a sewage processing plant. i.e. something you'd have a formal education and be accredited for. With respect for honest hardworking janitors everywhere, that's not the same thing as minor plumbing or ensuring that places are properly cleaned. Neither task is engineering. - “I understand that you’re a neurosurgeon.” (Bert grins.) “…No; I’m a barber. But a lot of people make that mistake.”
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  Right, but that's a fictional example. No-one has actually unironically called a janitor a "sanitation engineer".
  - mc32 4y ago
    Not so fast: Brand Evangelist (Marketing) Outplacement consultant (someone who comes in to fire people) Flueologist (Chimneysweep) Loss prevention officer (Security guard) Waste removal engineer (trashman/trashwoman) https://www.businessinsider.com/recruiting-firm-shares-the-50-weirdest-job-titles-theyve-ever-seen-2012-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/recruiting-firm-shares-the-5...
    - Gordonjcp 4y ago
      So a clickbait piece in on a Buzzfeed-style site?
      - mc32 4y ago
        It’s fluff (trivia) but it’s real. Those titles exist. If buzzfeed has a listicle of the most populous cities, Does that mean those cities are not real?
Karawebnetwork 4y ago
"first, do no harm" includes psychological safety. To use a bold example, there's a difference between telling your client they are "overweight" and telling them they are a "fat ass".
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  Psychological safety is utterly subjective. There cannot be a general ruleset. Although of course most doctors will not call you a fat ass. Maybe if he knows you more closely...
- kergonath 4y ago
  I think I agree with the sentiment, but being overweight is a characteristic of someone’s body. A fat arse is a part of a body. You can be overweight without a fat arse and vice versa, those are not identical. I would naïvely think that “fat arse” is vulgar or insulting enough (or at the very least way too informal) not to use it with someone you’re not familiar with. This has nothing to do with political correctness. You can ruin some people’s day by calling them ginger. I would expect a psychologist to be sensitive to this sort of things (do no harm, indeed), but that’s not a good reason to make everyone stop using that word.
- arise 4y ago
  Sometimes the brutal truth is the best anecdote. Does it hurt? Yes, but so do needles and countless other medical procedures. Pain != harm.
- P_I_Staker 4y ago
  It doesn't. Doctor's and psychs feel entitled to treat their patients in any abusive and harmful manor. It won't matter, because nobody would believe the anyway. A huge percentage of Doctor's are abusive scumbags. Everything you hear about medical ethics, they do the opposite. They are bigoted, and emotionally abusive, gaslighting monsters, who stubbornly refuse to self reflect.

MichaelCollins 4y ago

Huh? If you live in a condo, you have no house but you are not homeless. A house is only one kind of shelter that can be a home, of many.

Cthulhu_ 4y ago
It could also refer to the difference between living in someone's spare room, couch surfing, or living in a camper van vs having a home (rented or bought).
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  > living in someone's spare room Children living with their parents don't own houses, but they aren't homeless either. Or adults for that matter. For a few years in college I lived in a spare room in my grandparent's house. I had no house of my own, but I certainly felt welcome and wasn't homeless by any means.
  - rad88 4y ago
    There is no meaning of "housed" that implies "owns a house".

AnonCoward42 4y ago

Unhoused vs homeless looks like a good example of a euphemism treatmill (in progress). Their state is not being altered by the "finer" wording instead it sounds pretentious and condescending. There are a lot of these political correct terms that are being used more cynically by now, however I'd prefer to not open that can of worms.

MichaelCollins 4y ago
Good example of this from the article: "alcohol use disorder (formerly called alcoholism)"
- altruios 4y ago
  pedantically, I find alcohol use disorder more accurate to my internal definition of condition and disease. What we call things matter: as even slight changes in wording affect how people perceive things - so great care should be use when deciding what vernacular we should adopt generally.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - hirvi74 4y ago
    In my mind, an alcoholic is someone that has a dependency on alcohol, but not all people with AUD have a dependency on alcohol. For example, I think binge-drinking consistently (college students on weekends, for example) can be considered to have a mild AUD, but that person is not necessarily an "alcoholic" -- at least not what the average person considers to be an an alcoholic. (If anyone knows more, feel free to correct me)
    - altruios 4y ago
      It makes sense to have a distinction between the word disease and condition and a disorder. A disease particular is from a foreign agent: bactierial/fungal/viral/prionic/parasitic. a condition or disorder is an integral structure on awry, or rewritten (by chemicals or by viewing data) to go awry: the key distinction between this and disease being that there is no other 'lifeform' (yes - include viruses for simplicity's sake). so alcohol use disorder vs alcoholism reflects a more accurate state of reality. (there is no bacteria/fungus/prion/parasite/virus that is the CAUSE of alcoholism - a chemical rewrote your brain which has been damaged to potentially require alcohol to survive). the push back I've encountered had nothing to do with being 'correct'/'sensible' and had everything to do with protecting the feelings of people suffering from AUD - which is not a worthwhile goal to coddle people with fluffy medical terms in the aims of removing responsibility from one's self... ... sorry for the rant :)

raxxorraxor 4y ago

No, political correct is most often the opposite. It tries to obfuscate. Certainly not gain precision.

LAC-Tech 4y ago
You're looking at it too literally. Enforcing others to change their language is mostly about power. Any feel good explanations of why it needs to change is justification for executing that power.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  True, it is about the prerogative of interpretation and to backhandedly assign motivation to someone that uses certain terms to mostly discredit them. There are some that just mean well, but even then, the method is questionable.