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> I couldn’t help but wonder if any engineers would actually work for this guy going forward and why? Why not? I like money. I don't care about his politics. O

> I couldn’t help but wonder if any engineers would actually work for this guy going forward and why? Why not? I like money. I don't care about his politics. Or yours. It is called work not daycare for adults. My self esteem is also not wrapped up in the recognition of my peers or whomever I "report" to. Edit: I like how people are downvoting because I answered the wrong way in an open poll. What a bunch of brats. Makes me want to work for Elon even more.

vitno 4y ago
Nobody is talking about his politics. They are talking about his management style.
- rc_mob 4y ago
  I mean his politics are junk also. Its a big turn-off
  - recuter 4y ago
    I bet your politics are junk too. Why do I need to care about your 2 cents about this or that "issue" if we are writing code? I am not interested in your inner world or opinions. We aren't friends. We are coworkers. I have a life outside the job for that.
- recuter 4y ago
  Well, well, speak of gaslighting. The twitter employees have been hostile to him since before him buying this dumpster fire was ever a rumor. People are almost exclusively talking about his politics. Unless I report to him directly his management style is hardly my problem. Even if it is directly, well.. honestly don't find that stressful either. If he is being a stupid idiot I'd tell him just that, have in the past. Sometimes, folks like that are even appreciative of the candid feedback. What is the worst that can happen, I get fired? Please. At worst it isn't a fit, I honestly don't get the big deal and people get so emotionally invested in this stuff. I get hired to problem solve. If management is not living in reality part of the gig is to push back. Don't value my input we can part amicably, it is only a gig, not life and death.
  - vitno 4y ago
    > If management is not living in reality part of the gig is to push back That's exactly what is happening
    - recuter 4y ago
      Do you currently work there or are you part of the peanut gallery? And please, I beg you, don't give me a tirade about politics or offensive tweets. I am not interested. If Elon has wrong notions about spambots, checkmarks, which datastore to use, project deadline estimations - great, sounds like every company ever. He probably does, so what. And if I put you in charge you probably will drift away from reality in short order. All you can do is push back and say stuff like: 'actually it will take x7 your estimates because of these concrete reasons' or 'that spam algo won't fix it because you haven't considered x,y,z here is statistical proof'. Otherwise nucleus will get behind schedule: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddTbNKWw7Zs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddTbNKWw7Zs If nobody believes you or listens, well you are on the record. Who cares. Maybe you get fired maybe you get promoted. Twitter has been languishing anyway there is really nothing to lose by giving it a proper go. Sounds like fun to me actually. All the whiners seem to be able to talk about is everything except, you know, the actual work. Honestly the whiners can just bail already, quit the company and the website. Go to Mastodon and stop caring. Life is short.
phailhaus 4y ago
Pretty sure it's not his politics that are the problem, but his chaotic management style.
- recuter 4y ago
  Well go write Cobol at a bank. Or play office politics and write another pointless chat app that gets canceled. What is wrong with a bit of chaos from time to time? I thought this was hacker news, I thought you guys like startups..
  - phailhaus 4y ago
    Hahaha "startup" doesn't mean "CEO who publicly insults his own company and employees and pretends he knows better than them because he owns a different company." This is not "startup chaos", this is "narcissistic, toxic CEO" chaos. Elon's behavior is absolutely unacceptable coming from a leader. Source: I work at a demanding startup with a respectable CEO.
    - recuter 4y ago
      Dude, you wrote "chaotic management style". Now it is because you don't like the cut of his jib. Just say what bothers you directly. I get it, you really don't like Elon. Whereas I... truly sincerely don't care. Pay my rates you can call me every name in the book. Sticks and stones. Twitter employees have called him all manner of things, doesn't seem like your apprehensions flow both ways. This is some kindergarten level behavior from all involved. Don't see why any of it matters. Children are starving in India, I'm getting paid six figures to move some Jira tickets back and forth..
      - phailhaus 4y ago
        Those are the same thing. His management style involves publicly berating his employees over twitter, insulting his own company, and firing on a whim. Nah, I'll pass. There are so many better run companies out there, I'm here to work not babysit the CEO.

vitno 4y ago

Nobody is talking about his politics. They are talking about his management style.

rc_mob 4y ago
I mean his politics are junk also. Its a big turn-off
- recuter 4y ago
  I bet your politics are junk too. Why do I need to care about your 2 cents about this or that "issue" if we are writing code? I am not interested in your inner world or opinions. We aren't friends. We are coworkers. I have a life outside the job for that.
recuter 4y ago
Well, well, speak of gaslighting. The twitter employees have been hostile to him since before him buying this dumpster fire was ever a rumor. People are almost exclusively talking about his politics. Unless I report to him directly his management style is hardly my problem. Even if it is directly, well.. honestly don't find that stressful either. If he is being a stupid idiot I'd tell him just that, have in the past. Sometimes, folks like that are even appreciative of the candid feedback. What is the worst that can happen, I get fired? Please. At worst it isn't a fit, I honestly don't get the big deal and people get so emotionally invested in this stuff. I get hired to problem solve. If management is not living in reality part of the gig is to push back. Don't value my input we can part amicably, it is only a gig, not life and death.
- vitno 4y ago
  > If management is not living in reality part of the gig is to push back That's exactly what is happening
  - recuter 4y ago
    Do you currently work there or are you part of the peanut gallery? And please, I beg you, don't give me a tirade about politics or offensive tweets. I am not interested. If Elon has wrong notions about spambots, checkmarks, which datastore to use, project deadline estimations - great, sounds like every company ever. He probably does, so what. And if I put you in charge you probably will drift away from reality in short order. All you can do is push back and say stuff like: 'actually it will take x7 your estimates because of these concrete reasons' or 'that spam algo won't fix it because you haven't considered x,y,z here is statistical proof'. Otherwise nucleus will get behind schedule: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddTbNKWw7Zs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddTbNKWw7Zs If nobody believes you or listens, well you are on the record. Who cares. Maybe you get fired maybe you get promoted. Twitter has been languishing anyway there is really nothing to lose by giving it a proper go. Sounds like fun to me actually. All the whiners seem to be able to talk about is everything except, you know, the actual work. Honestly the whiners can just bail already, quit the company and the website. Go to Mastodon and stop caring. Life is short.

phailhaus 4y ago

Pretty sure it's not his politics that are the problem, but his chaotic management style.

recuter 4y ago
Well go write Cobol at a bank. Or play office politics and write another pointless chat app that gets canceled. What is wrong with a bit of chaos from time to time? I thought this was hacker news, I thought you guys like startups..
- phailhaus 4y ago
  Hahaha "startup" doesn't mean "CEO who publicly insults his own company and employees and pretends he knows better than them because he owns a different company." This is not "startup chaos", this is "narcissistic, toxic CEO" chaos. Elon's behavior is absolutely unacceptable coming from a leader. Source: I work at a demanding startup with a respectable CEO.
  - recuter 4y ago
    Dude, you wrote "chaotic management style". Now it is because you don't like the cut of his jib. Just say what bothers you directly. I get it, you really don't like Elon. Whereas I... truly sincerely don't care. Pay my rates you can call me every name in the book. Sticks and stones. Twitter employees have called him all manner of things, doesn't seem like your apprehensions flow both ways. This is some kindergarten level behavior from all involved. Don't see why any of it matters. Children are starving in India, I'm getting paid six figures to move some Jira tickets back and forth..
    - phailhaus 4y ago
      Those are the same thing. His management style involves publicly berating his employees over twitter, insulting his own company, and firing on a whim. Nah, I'll pass. There are so many better run companies out there, I'm here to work not babysit the CEO.