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Does this mean they are training a model on their users' notes? Or does it all come from a separate model e.g. GPT3?
by remram 4y ago
Does this mean they are training a model on their users' notes? Or does it all come from a separate model e.g. GPT3?
- wouterjanl 4y agoI am wondering the same thing. From their website: "Your data is encrypted at rest and in transit." (see: https://www.notion.so/help/security-and-privacy https://www.notion.so/help/security-and-privacy). I am not really sure what that means.
- Terretta 4y agoDecoding for all "we take your security seriously" pages on the web: In transit means https (like your comment getting sent to this page). At rest means the underlying store uses a key, like S3, or even HDD encryption. It's encrypted on write to the disk, and decrypted on read. This may be fantastic for when nation state black ops sneak into the data center and remove the server's drives for forensic analysis, useless for anything else. (To be fair, it's useful on a laptop. Not so useful in a data center.) Neither of these means it's encrypted between reading disk and sending over HTTPS. Neither one means employees, servers, or clients, can't see your data.
- wouterjanl 4y agoThanks for the clear and detailed response! It's what I feared it meant. It's a pity they need to use such deceptive language, I find. I really liked notion as a product. This is kind of a wakeup call for me that using the cloud pretty much means giving up control - and not just theoretically.
- KidComputer 4y agoYes, they imply they will. Notion may, however, use your Content or Customer Data to improve and train Notion’s own models. https://www.notion.so/Notion-AI-Program-Terms-c0066e3003904176bb50b9f7c16164b9 https://www.notion.so/Notion-AI-Program-Terms-c0066e30039041...
- remram 4y agoI will ask support and report back. Having my private data fed back to other users via "AI" is a deal-breaker for me and my organization.
- remram 4y agoOk this took many back-and-forth emails, but I eventually got this from support: > Marvin from Product Operations here and happy to clarify. The answer you're looking for is: no we are not using your data to train our models.
- manchmalscott 4y agoUnder the "Improvement of services" section, it says: "We do not and will not use your Content or Customer Data to improve or train our models unless you give us express permission to do so." Maybe they changed this in the past 7 hours?
- KidComputer 4y agoYup just took a look and they changed the text
- remram 4y agoIs opting-in to the Notion AI beta not "express permission"?
- actualwitch 4y agoEven if they used GPT-3 they could have easily fine-tuned on their data[0]. [0] https://beta.openai.com/docs/guides/fine-tuning https://beta.openai.com/docs/guides/fine-tuning
- remram 4y agoIs "their data" my data?
- actualwitch 4y agoLooking at their privacy policy page [0], they mention that customer data is used for "Developing new products and services and improving the Services". So by using the service you give them rights to fine tune on your data. [0] https://www.notion.so/Privacy-Policy-3468d120cf614d4c9014c09f6adc9091#807ffef41d75415aa00376b297fed8b8 https://www.notion.so/Privacy-Policy-3468d120cf614d4c9014c09...