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Panel gaps don’t even matter from a pragmatic standpoint.

by LudwigNagasena 4y ago

laputan_machine 4y ago
Big panel gaps = lowered fuel economy. Seems pragmatic to me to care about it.
- LudwigNagasena 4y ago
  Lowered by how much?
  - laputan_machine 4y ago
    Ah, the ol' "move the goalposts" technique! A classic for sure.
    - LudwigNagasena 4y ago
      Well, of course "actually, it costs $2 per month in fuel" may be technically correct, but I am sure most people would find such concerns quite petty and beside the point.
      - laputan_machine 4y ago
        > Panel gaps don’t even matter from a pragmatic standpoint. This is your statement. They "don't even matter". It's not pragmatic to care about panel gaps. It doesn't matter. That is what you are stating, that isn't me misquoting or being malicious, they're your words! If you meant to instead say "There are diminishing returns to reduce panel gap size, and Tesla have got it right!", then I agree with the first statement, disagree with the second, but best of all it clarifies your point. Cheers!
        LudwigNagasena 4y ago
        What’s the point of that nitpick? You could also say that a 10cm panel gap would be very noticeable and inconvenient, but I think it’s very clear from the context that this is not a very relevant observation to the discussion at hand. “They don’t matter” as in “the returns on decreasing the panel gap from the 1st percentile of panel gaps on the market to the 99th percentile are so small, spending energy on thinking about it is probably more expensive. It is a cosmetic issue.”
prmoustache 4y ago
Basically, the Tesla are the modern Yugo, albeit with a premium price and premium but shitty trim.
leetcrew 4y ago
from a pragmatic standpoint, getting me to and from work reliably is the only thing that matters. but I can get that out of a $20k corolla. a car that costs twice as much needs to bring a little more to the table.
KaiserPro 4y ago
> Panel gaps don’t even matter from a pragmatic standpoint. panel gaps are a sign of quality. Why are there gaps? at best the door hinges are not aligned properly, at worse the whole chassis is warped. Does the door close properly, as in seat where it's designed to? will that cause paint damage? when the temperature changes and the doors shift, will that make the windows fail to close properly? If the doors are not aligned properly, does that mean that if there is a crash, the points where the load is supposed to be dissipated are missed? Does that mean that its easier to break into? can I just get a slimjim down the inside and hoik out valuables. If this was a budget car, that was engineered to a price so that _everyone_ can afford it, then yes, I'd let tesla off. its not a big problem. But its not, Telsa are supposedly a luxury car maker.

Panel gaps don’t even matter from a pragmatic standpoint.

laputan_machine 4y ago

Big panel gaps = lowered fuel economy. Seems pragmatic to me to care about it.

LudwigNagasena 4y ago
Lowered by how much?
- laputan_machine 4y ago
  Ah, the ol' "move the goalposts" technique! A classic for sure.
  - LudwigNagasena 4y ago
    Well, of course "actually, it costs $2 per month in fuel" may be technically correct, but I am sure most people would find such concerns quite petty and beside the point.
    - laputan_machine 4y ago
      > Panel gaps don’t even matter from a pragmatic standpoint. This is your statement. They "don't even matter". It's not pragmatic to care about panel gaps. It doesn't matter. That is what you are stating, that isn't me misquoting or being malicious, they're your words! If you meant to instead say "There are diminishing returns to reduce panel gap size, and Tesla have got it right!", then I agree with the first statement, disagree with the second, but best of all it clarifies your point. Cheers!
      - LudwigNagasena 4y ago
        What’s the point of that nitpick? You could also say that a 10cm panel gap would be very noticeable and inconvenient, but I think it’s very clear from the context that this is not a very relevant observation to the discussion at hand. “They don’t matter” as in “the returns on decreasing the panel gap from the 1st percentile of panel gaps on the market to the 99th percentile are so small, spending energy on thinking about it is probably more expensive. It is a cosmetic issue.”

prmoustache 4y ago

Basically, the Tesla are the modern Yugo, albeit with a premium price and premium but shitty trim.

leetcrew 4y ago

from a pragmatic standpoint, getting me to and from work reliably is the only thing that matters. but I can get that out of a $20k corolla. a car that costs twice as much needs to bring a little more to the table.

KaiserPro 4y ago

> Panel gaps don’t even matter from a pragmatic standpoint. panel gaps are a sign of quality. Why are there gaps? at best the door hinges are not aligned properly, at worse the whole chassis is warped. Does the door close properly, as in seat where it's designed to? will that cause paint damage? when the temperature changes and the doors shift, will that make the windows fail to close properly? If the doors are not aligned properly, does that mean that if there is a crash, the points where the load is supposed to be dissipated are missed? Does that mean that its easier to break into? can I just get a slimjim down the inside and hoik out valuables. If this was a budget car, that was engineered to a price so that _everyone_ can afford it, then yes, I'd let tesla off. its not a big problem. But its not, Telsa are supposedly a luxury car maker.