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You really would want to work yourself down to nothing for the worlds richest man with extremely hand-wavy equity value? There's a difference between being in

by dd82 4y ago

You really would want to work yourself down to nothing for the worlds richest man with extremely hand-wavy equity value? There's a difference between being in a focused envcironment and being in a shitshow. Essentially this message is saying "Hey, I want to be taken advantage of, work me as hard as you want, I want more!!!!"

bheadmaster 4y ago
> You really would want to work yourself down to nothing for the worlds richest man with extremely hand-wavy equity value? If I'm being challenged enough to have fun, I don't see why not. I like building software, it's my passion, and if I can get paid good money for doing interesting things while working for Elon, then good for him. Especially if the alternative is "do mind-dulling tasks 8 hours a day" for the world's richest men in some other megacorp. > There's a difference between being in a focused envcironment and being in a shitshow Yes, I don't want to be in a shitshow, I want to be in a focused environment. I don't see where the disagreement is. Perhaps you're implying I'm wrong about Musk's places of employment being as I see them - you might as well be right, but you might as well be wrong. Unless I start working for them, I guess I'll never know for sure.
- dd82 4y ago
  you can also talk with people who've worked there and are still there/left. Basically, you don't spend long at SpaceX if you find mudane things like a good WLB or enjoy being burnt out. The disagreement here is Twitter is a shitshow under his leadership, and your words come across as you finding that interesting and place where you would like to be.
  - bheadmaster 4y ago
    > The disagreement here is Twitter is a shitshow under his leadership, and your words come across as you finding that interesting and place where you would like to be. One of the first things he did when he acquired Twitter is point out there are much more managers than engineers. He got rid of many of them. In my opinion, that's a sign of progress towards the more engineering-first environment, not regression.
    - dd82 4y ago
      Is that still your opinion after the past few days? His public behavior? Interesting that you and many others see this behavior as an admirable trait and not a regression.
      - bheadmaster 4y ago
        With the amount of media attention on him ever since of Twitter acquisition, I expected the "space guy bad" vibe to be much worse. Also take into account that many of these stories might just as well be fabricated. Remember Ligma Johnson? If you have any concrete examples, with reliable sources (not random Tweets from literal whos or yellow press), I'd love to know about these "horrible things" he's done. Sincere request - I'd love to hate on the guy, I hate billionaires in general, but in his case I just didn't have any real reason so far.
    - kaba0 4y ago
      And he kicked out a bunch of engineers as well based on LOC, then immediately tried to hire them back. Like come on, you can’t just go into another company and do massive changes immediately without understanding the whole thing. He is a narcissist man-child.

by dd82 4y ago

bheadmaster 4y ago

> You really would want to work yourself down to nothing for the worlds richest man with extremely hand-wavy equity value? If I'm being challenged enough to have fun, I don't see why not. I like building software, it's my passion, and if I can get paid good money for doing interesting things while working for Elon, then good for him. Especially if the alternative is "do mind-dulling tasks 8 hours a day" for the world's richest men in some other megacorp. > There's a difference between being in a focused envcironment and being in a shitshow Yes, I don't want to be in a shitshow, I want to be in a focused environment. I don't see where the disagreement is. Perhaps you're implying I'm wrong about Musk's places of employment being as I see them - you might as well be right, but you might as well be wrong. Unless I start working for them, I guess I'll never know for sure.

dd82 4y ago
you can also talk with people who've worked there and are still there/left. Basically, you don't spend long at SpaceX if you find mudane things like a good WLB or enjoy being burnt out. The disagreement here is Twitter is a shitshow under his leadership, and your words come across as you finding that interesting and place where you would like to be.
- bheadmaster 4y ago
  > The disagreement here is Twitter is a shitshow under his leadership, and your words come across as you finding that interesting and place where you would like to be. One of the first things he did when he acquired Twitter is point out there are much more managers than engineers. He got rid of many of them. In my opinion, that's a sign of progress towards the more engineering-first environment, not regression.
  - dd82 4y ago
    Is that still your opinion after the past few days? His public behavior? Interesting that you and many others see this behavior as an admirable trait and not a regression.
    - bheadmaster 4y ago
      With the amount of media attention on him ever since of Twitter acquisition, I expected the "space guy bad" vibe to be much worse. Also take into account that many of these stories might just as well be fabricated. Remember Ligma Johnson? If you have any concrete examples, with reliable sources (not random Tweets from literal whos or yellow press), I'd love to know about these "horrible things" he's done. Sincere request - I'd love to hate on the guy, I hate billionaires in general, but in his case I just didn't have any real reason so far.
  - kaba0 4y ago
    And he kicked out a bunch of engineers as well based on LOC, then immediately tried to hire them back. Like come on, you can’t just go into another company and do massive changes immediately without understanding the whole thing. He is a narcissist man-child.