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Tesla software is not good overall. The engineering for the batteries is amazing. Drivetrain efficiency is good. The further the software gets from those two th

Tesla software is not good overall. The engineering for the batteries is amazing. Drivetrain efficiency is good. The further the software gets from those two things the worse it gets. We ditched our model 3 for an e-tron and could not be happier. We gave up some range for an overall superior product. Our main complaint was the software, especially the shoddy constantly changing main UI. Tesla are good cars for what they do but for most drivers there are better EVs now. Also the Tesla infotainment system constantly breaking /was/ our main complaint. Bluetooth behavior was bad. Crashed and needed resetting (mid drive) pretty often. And it is way more than just infotainment, it is your main UI to do critical tasks like turn on wipers, etc.

guhidalg 4y ago
- bitexploder 4y ago
  Is what it is. Our issues were common on Tesla forums when we tried to fix them ourselves.
- Hellion 4y ago
  > not my experience, overblowing It absolutely is my experience as well. I suspect there’s a sizable majority of people who have no issues with their Tesla ever. But there are still a lot of us who didn’t have a good experience. Accusing people of lying just makes you look like a blind fanboy. My 2015 model s would beg to differ. I had it for two years. The screen crashed about once a month and it leaked when it rained, which is annoying in Monterey. First new car id ever bought , shortest I’ve ever owned a car. Fantastic in a lot of ways but the door leaking and the runaround with the company made me unload it.
- mikeyouse 4y ago
  A few reasons why I much prefer the Audi Q4 E-tron to a Model Y; * It has wireless Carplay - so I don't need to rely on Audi (or Tesla) engineers to provide Spotify or podcast integrations * It has a physical lever to control the windshield wipers like every other car made in the past 50 years. You don't need to dig through menus to use a critical safety feature. * It has physical buttons for the HVAC controls - so again, I don't need to look at an obnoxious screen for a feature that shouldn't be software-based to begin with. I have no doubt that Tesla's "pace of development" is faster and that they're going to ship more updates to improve things but sometimes you don't need in-house software to solve all of your problems.
  - bathtub365 4y ago
    Do you really have to go into a menu to turn on the wipers in Tesla cars?
    - CorrectHorseBat 4y ago
      You can make them swipe once by pressing a button and then there's a little pop up on which you can turn them on. Not great, but you don't have to go into a menu. For the fog lights you have to go into a menu or flash your high beams to get the lights pop up, which really sucks.
    - duncans 4y ago
      No, you tap the button on the end if the indicator stalk. This gives you a wipe, and a wiper speed menu will appear on the screen if you want to override the auto wiper speed. Saying that, the auto wipers can be dreadful. They mostly work OK, but occasionally will randomly turn on when it's dry, or not come on when it's pissing down. It's down to the fact that rather than use a simple infra-red based rain sensor (that the rest of the industry has used for decades) Tesla think they can do just as good a job using the front-facing AutoPilot camera and save a dollar or two on a dedicated sensor.
    - doph 4y ago
      No, at least on my '22 MY, you can use one of the stalks to turn on wipers or spray washer fluid. There's also an auto mode that turns them on when rain is detected that works about 80% of the time for me. You can also use voice controls.
      - bitexploder 4y ago
        That’s okay, but still bad UI for a critical safety component. It used to be much harder too. In practice it is okay, but the only driver for this is design aesthetics, even after knowing it is highly disliked the way it is. Wiper controls were one of those little issues that really turned my partner off of her Model 3 over time.
HillRat 4y ago
Tesla's market cap in no way supports this strategy, but from a core competency perspective they would be an amazing tier 1 vendor. Not sure how long they can sustain being a poor-quality OEM now that traditional automakers and competitive upstarts are invading their niche.
baybal2 4y ago

guhidalg 4y ago

bitexploder 4y ago
Is what it is. Our issues were common on Tesla forums when we tried to fix them ourselves.
Hellion 4y ago
> not my experience, overblowing It absolutely is my experience as well. I suspect there’s a sizable majority of people who have no issues with their Tesla ever. But there are still a lot of us who didn’t have a good experience. Accusing people of lying just makes you look like a blind fanboy. My 2015 model s would beg to differ. I had it for two years. The screen crashed about once a month and it leaked when it rained, which is annoying in Monterey. First new car id ever bought , shortest I’ve ever owned a car. Fantastic in a lot of ways but the door leaking and the runaround with the company made me unload it.
mikeyouse 4y ago
A few reasons why I much prefer the Audi Q4 E-tron to a Model Y; * It has wireless Carplay - so I don't need to rely on Audi (or Tesla) engineers to provide Spotify or podcast integrations * It has a physical lever to control the windshield wipers like every other car made in the past 50 years. You don't need to dig through menus to use a critical safety feature. * It has physical buttons for the HVAC controls - so again, I don't need to look at an obnoxious screen for a feature that shouldn't be software-based to begin with. I have no doubt that Tesla's "pace of development" is faster and that they're going to ship more updates to improve things but sometimes you don't need in-house software to solve all of your problems.
- bathtub365 4y ago
  Do you really have to go into a menu to turn on the wipers in Tesla cars?
  - CorrectHorseBat 4y ago
    You can make them swipe once by pressing a button and then there's a little pop up on which you can turn them on. Not great, but you don't have to go into a menu. For the fog lights you have to go into a menu or flash your high beams to get the lights pop up, which really sucks.
  - duncans 4y ago
    No, you tap the button on the end if the indicator stalk. This gives you a wipe, and a wiper speed menu will appear on the screen if you want to override the auto wiper speed. Saying that, the auto wipers can be dreadful. They mostly work OK, but occasionally will randomly turn on when it's dry, or not come on when it's pissing down. It's down to the fact that rather than use a simple infra-red based rain sensor (that the rest of the industry has used for decades) Tesla think they can do just as good a job using the front-facing AutoPilot camera and save a dollar or two on a dedicated sensor.
  - doph 4y ago
    No, at least on my '22 MY, you can use one of the stalks to turn on wipers or spray washer fluid. There's also an auto mode that turns them on when rain is detected that works about 80% of the time for me. You can also use voice controls.
    - bitexploder 4y ago
      That’s okay, but still bad UI for a critical safety component. It used to be much harder too. In practice it is okay, but the only driver for this is design aesthetics, even after knowing it is highly disliked the way it is. Wiper controls were one of those little issues that really turned my partner off of her Model 3 over time.

HillRat 4y ago

Tesla's market cap in no way supports this strategy, but from a core competency perspective they would be an amazing tier 1 vendor. Not sure how long they can sustain being a poor-quality OEM now that traditional automakers and competitive upstarts are invading their niche.

baybal2 4y ago