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How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? And it's not just minor gripes, half of them are wrong. Some of them have been addressed

by tgv 4y ago

How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? And it's not just minor gripes, half of them are wrong. Some of them have been addressed by others, but: * Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. No, it doesn't. * Surprising lack of apps in the store Says someone defending KDE? But hey, strangely enough I'm typing this in Firefox. I've got Teams running, and Zoom. There really is more than one way to install an app. * The stupid amount of app icons in the "tray" bar. Not collapsible, not hideable. What does that mean? There's no tray bar. Is it the menu? Is it the Dock? In both cases, it's untrue, or the writer means something else. * No easy way to open a path in Finder Cmd-shift-G or Go > Go to folder isn't easy enough? What's KDE's super brilliant solution? * Finder: no side by side view for easily moving stuff between unrelated folders/paths Can't open two windows? And even if all were true, it misses so many other points, it's embarrassing. What OP means is: I've got a fixed workflow, and now I have to learn a few new shortcuts.

sgloutnikov 4y ago
For moving files between folders tabs in Finder works fine, you don't even need a new window.
jasonlotito 4y ago
> Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. > No, it doesn't. How do you take a screenshot that saves the screenshot to a specific spot that isn't the Desktop and ALSO stores the screenshot in the clipboard? cmd+shift+3/4 doesn't store the screenshot in the clipboard. It just stores in on the Desktop. You can click the preview and it will move it into the clipboard as well as save it. The other method, that puts the screenshot directly into the clipboard with ctrl+cmd+shit+3/4 but it doesn't save the screenshot. What's the single keyboard shortcut command to take a screenshot and have it saved to your machine as well as have it stored in your clipboard? I'll enjoy watching people down vote learning and knowledge sharing.
- bentheklutz 4y ago
  The save location for cmd+shift+{3,4} can be configured through the command line. defaults write com.apple.screencapture location <path> There is apparently a settings menu inside the Screenshot app now that allows this as well, though I found the above solution before the settings in that app came about.
  - tgv 4y ago
    For those wondering: cmd-shift-5 is the shortcut the very configurable Screenshot app, which allows you to do things like save to folder, clipboard, or straight to mail and more.
    - pxc 4y ago
      I remember Mac fans making a big deal when that app came out, decades after KDE got the feature. The disproportionate celebration and the impressively un-mnemonic, un-discoverable shortcut both stood out to me at the time.
russelg 4y ago
> What does that mean? There's no tray bar. Is it the menu? Is it the Dock? In both cases, it's untrue, or the writer means something else. They're clearly talking about the area on the right of the menu bar. You know, the one you can't (temporarily) hide entries for without a third-party app, which is functionality that exists in both Windows and KDE.
- tgv 4y ago
  You can drag cmd-drag them out, or configure them via their settings (system icons are in the Settings app, others in their own apps). Some applications don't support that, and are always present, that's true.
jevgeni 4y ago
I mean the title should read "Man confuses personal habits with a product design degree"
xxxxyxxyxxyxyx 4y ago
>Cmd-shift-G or Go > Go to folder isn't easy enough? What's KDE's super brilliant solution? Not sure about KDE, but every OS (admittedly not many), other than Apple's macOS and previous iteraitions I've used, have had an address bar with the file path. Both of the options you mentioned weren't obvious to me and I only found out about them from your comment. This isn't only an issue of familiarity but also an issue of features being discoverable.
- iamwpj 4y ago
  Finder has a breadcrumb you can enable. It's in View > Show Path Bar. It's for sure a discovery issue. MacOS assumes you've always been using it.
- dsego 4y ago
  It's not obvious to me that the address bar in windows explorer sometimes behaves like breadcrumbs and sometimes becomes a text box. It's a very subtle behavior, but I'm sure for windows users it's totally discoverable and intuitive.
- tgv 4y ago
  Discoverability is a holy grail. With a list of features that has been expanding since 1984, you can't expect them all to be discoverable. And this one isn't a very frequent use case for normal users. KDE does have a different target audience from macOS and Windows, but even as a dev/architect/sysadmin, I'm not sure if I would have found it. I've got a GNOME setup at work, but no idea if it has a similar feature.
  - laacz 4y ago
    As a person, who is using Mac for close to three years, I have to admit that discoverability of keyboard shortcuts (or even existence of such - navigating apps' menus, for example) on OS X is close to zero.
  - musicale 4y ago
    > And this one isn't a very frequent use case for normal users The Finder's Go menu seems like a reasonably discoverable location. That being said.... I kind of wish you could type and tab-complete paths in the Find window (cmd-F in the Finder) and Spotlight (cmd-space in any app.)
trymas 4y ago
Agreed one hundred percent. Why extremely biased rant from specific DE subreddit (also biased) gets so many upvotes? Who cares? My additions: * Poor to non-existing window tiling (at least Rectangle has very good defaults and works well) There are apps for that, like writer mentioned - so what's the problem? I'd argue that using Expose, Mission Control, Multiple desktops and controlling them with touchpad swipes is faster, more convenient, more intuitive and flexible than tilling window management, but it's personal biased opinion, just like the writer's. * Missing native Alt+Tab and individual window switching (only does app switching) I either don't understand the problem or what's wrong with `cmd-tab` for app switching and `cmd-~` for app window switching. * Finder keyboard shortcuts not shown in context menu (makes them far less discoverable) Most, if not all, apps have their keyboard shortcuts shown in the menu bar next to menu bar items. * Lack of native clipboard To be fair - I am intrigued what does writer mean with `native clipboard`? Some sort of built-in app for clipboard management? * Finder's weird shortcuts for rename vs open file (no way to open a file with keyboard?) `cmd-o` to open, `enter/return` to rename, `space` to quick look. Just because OP is not used to different shortcuts - does not mean it's weird. Also many shortcuts are very consistent throughout whole system and throughout different apps. After writing all this - I feel like I fell for the troll [0], but will leave my opinions as it may help for other Macos beginners. IMHO it's just a thing of muscle memory and learned workflows. [0] I think it's trolling, because clearly he/she haven't read anything about Macos, because there are plenty of sources (even official ones) for first time Macos users. Something like hiding menu bar and/or dock are the most easiest things that you can do while skimming through `System preferences` on your own. Original writer seemingly opened Macbook for a first time, it didn't work same as KDE so he/she decided to rant about it on reddit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- aruggirello 4y ago
  > * Lack of native clipboard > To be fair - I am intrigued what does writer mean with `native clipboard`? Some sort of built-in app for clipboard management? You don't know native clipboard? It's like a universal second, "quick" clipboard in Linux. You select something somewhere - copied. You middle click somewhere - pasted. It's so much faster and super convenient, it supports terminal and is independent of the "main" clipboard so that you can (ab)use it to gain two clipboards at the same time if you so wish.
ilyt 4y ago
> How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? By being on kde subreddit. Obviously the post is preaching to the choir there.
tinus_hn 4y ago
> How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? It gets upvotes from the hurr durr Apple bad crowd.

by tgv 4y ago

sgloutnikov 4y ago

For moving files between folders tabs in Finder works fine, you don't even need a new window.

jasonlotito 4y ago

> Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. > No, it doesn't. How do you take a screenshot that saves the screenshot to a specific spot that isn't the Desktop and ALSO stores the screenshot in the clipboard? cmd+shift+3/4 doesn't store the screenshot in the clipboard. It just stores in on the Desktop. You can click the preview and it will move it into the clipboard as well as save it. The other method, that puts the screenshot directly into the clipboard with ctrl+cmd+shit+3/4 but it doesn't save the screenshot. What's the single keyboard shortcut command to take a screenshot and have it saved to your machine as well as have it stored in your clipboard? I'll enjoy watching people down vote learning and knowledge sharing.

bentheklutz 4y ago
The save location for cmd+shift+{3,4} can be configured through the command line. defaults write com.apple.screencapture location <path> There is apparently a settings menu inside the Screenshot app now that allows this as well, though I found the above solution before the settings in that app came about.
- tgv 4y ago
  For those wondering: cmd-shift-5 is the shortcut the very configurable Screenshot app, which allows you to do things like save to folder, clipboard, or straight to mail and more.
  - pxc 4y ago
    I remember Mac fans making a big deal when that app came out, decades after KDE got the feature. The disproportionate celebration and the impressively un-mnemonic, un-discoverable shortcut both stood out to me at the time.

russelg 4y ago

> What does that mean? There's no tray bar. Is it the menu? Is it the Dock? In both cases, it's untrue, or the writer means something else. They're clearly talking about the area on the right of the menu bar. You know, the one you can't (temporarily) hide entries for without a third-party app, which is functionality that exists in both Windows and KDE.

tgv 4y ago
You can drag cmd-drag them out, or configure them via their settings (system icons are in the Settings app, others in their own apps). Some applications don't support that, and are always present, that's true.

jevgeni 4y ago

I mean the title should read "Man confuses personal habits with a product design degree"

xxxxyxxyxxyxyx 4y ago

>Cmd-shift-G or Go > Go to folder isn't easy enough? What's KDE's super brilliant solution? Not sure about KDE, but every OS (admittedly not many), other than Apple's macOS and previous iteraitions I've used, have had an address bar with the file path. Both of the options you mentioned weren't obvious to me and I only found out about them from your comment. This isn't only an issue of familiarity but also an issue of features being discoverable.

iamwpj 4y ago
Finder has a breadcrumb you can enable. It's in View > Show Path Bar. It's for sure a discovery issue. MacOS assumes you've always been using it.
dsego 4y ago
It's not obvious to me that the address bar in windows explorer sometimes behaves like breadcrumbs and sometimes becomes a text box. It's a very subtle behavior, but I'm sure for windows users it's totally discoverable and intuitive.
tgv 4y ago
Discoverability is a holy grail. With a list of features that has been expanding since 1984, you can't expect them all to be discoverable. And this one isn't a very frequent use case for normal users. KDE does have a different target audience from macOS and Windows, but even as a dev/architect/sysadmin, I'm not sure if I would have found it. I've got a GNOME setup at work, but no idea if it has a similar feature.
- laacz 4y ago
  As a person, who is using Mac for close to three years, I have to admit that discoverability of keyboard shortcuts (or even existence of such - navigating apps' menus, for example) on OS X is close to zero.
- musicale 4y ago
  > And this one isn't a very frequent use case for normal users The Finder's Go menu seems like a reasonably discoverable location. That being said.... I kind of wish you could type and tab-complete paths in the Find window (cmd-F in the Finder) and Spotlight (cmd-space in any app.)

trymas 4y ago

Agreed one hundred percent. Why extremely biased rant from specific DE subreddit (also biased) gets so many upvotes? Who cares? My additions: * Poor to non-existing window tiling (at least Rectangle has very good defaults and works well) There are apps for that, like writer mentioned - so what's the problem? I'd argue that using Expose, Mission Control, Multiple desktops and controlling them with touchpad swipes is faster, more convenient, more intuitive and flexible than tilling window management, but it's personal biased opinion, just like the writer's. * Missing native Alt+Tab and individual window switching (only does app switching) I either don't understand the problem or what's wrong with `cmd-tab` for app switching and `cmd-~` for app window switching. * Finder keyboard shortcuts not shown in context menu (makes them far less discoverable) Most, if not all, apps have their keyboard shortcuts shown in the menu bar next to menu bar items. * Lack of native clipboard To be fair - I am intrigued what does writer mean with `native clipboard`? Some sort of built-in app for clipboard management? * Finder's weird shortcuts for rename vs open file (no way to open a file with keyboard?) `cmd-o` to open, `enter/return` to rename, `space` to quick look. Just because OP is not used to different shortcuts - does not mean it's weird. Also many shortcuts are very consistent throughout whole system and throughout different apps. After writing all this - I feel like I fell for the troll [0], but will leave my opinions as it may help for other Macos beginners. IMHO it's just a thing of muscle memory and learned workflows. [0] I think it's trolling, because clearly he/she haven't read anything about Macos, because there are plenty of sources (even official ones) for first time Macos users. Something like hiding menu bar and/or dock are the most easiest things that you can do while skimming through `System preferences` on your own. Original writer seemingly opened Macbook for a first time, it didn't work same as KDE so he/she decided to rant about it on reddit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

aruggirello 4y ago
> * Lack of native clipboard > To be fair - I am intrigued what does writer mean with `native clipboard`? Some sort of built-in app for clipboard management? You don't know native clipboard? It's like a universal second, "quick" clipboard in Linux. You select something somewhere - copied. You middle click somewhere - pasted. It's so much faster and super convenient, it supports terminal and is independent of the "main" clipboard so that you can (ab)use it to gain two clipboards at the same time if you so wish.

ilyt 4y ago

> How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? By being on kde subreddit. Obviously the post is preaching to the choir there.

tinus_hn 4y ago

> How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? It gets upvotes from the hurr durr Apple bad crowd.