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It seems to me that both of the books you cited actively promote not feeling guilt about what you seem to allege is grooming...wouldn't that undermine your argu
by p0pcult 4y ago
It seems to me that both of the books you cited actively promote not feeling guilt about what you seem to allege is grooming...wouldn't that undermine your argument? In fact, it seems that the more kids are armed with appropriate sexual education and--importantly--consent education, the less vulnerable they will be to sexual abuse. [0]
And perhaps you have been so blinded by your moral panic, but you appear to not have been reading my posts: I agree with you that texts like this should be restricted for younger kids. (I haven't stated this, but I vehemently disagree with outright bans that make them unavailable to all.) I merely contend that this is not in fact grooming or pedophilia, and that what the right is engaged in is yet another example of the moral panics they gin up to gain political power. (See: war on drugs, satanic panic, et. al.[1])
The right is weaponizing this panic, and ultimately conflating pedophilia with the LGBTQ community. See: countless anti-drag legislation, armed militias showing up at pride events, et. al.
The fact remains that most child predation happens by a person the child knows [2]
Basically to sum up: I agree with you on restricting the availability of books with sexually explicitly content in regards to young kids. I disagree with outright bans. Kids are sexually active creatures--whether anyone likes it or not. Lack of education about this topic leads to suboptimal outcomes: teen pregnancy, sexual violence, etc. These books don't strike me as grooming or pedophilia, and in fact, they seem to be the basis of a moral panic being used to gain political power.
[0] https://mcasa.org/newsletters/article/comprehensive-sex-education-in-schools-as-primary-prevention https://mcasa.org/newsletters/article/comprehensive-sex-educ...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic#:~:text=A%20moral%20panic%20is%20a,of%20a%20community%20or%20society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic#:~:text=A%20moral%....
[2] https://vets4childrescue.org/identifying-predators https://vets4childrescue.org/identifying-predators
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- Natsu 4y agoI'm not sure how you see shame as the real harm from this, because it goes significantly deeper than that. I do think we may be talking past each other on some things, though, and may not disagree on certain points. Generally speaking, the disputes are concerning what type and at what age children should be taught things and what input parents should have. Regarding moral panics, those are at the root of most political activism. I don't find this surprising in any way. Finally, regarding the 'armed militias', I assume that relates to the 'sniper' story, unless there was some other story I wasn't aware of (which is possible)? I'll just mention that the story appears to be dubious in terms of whether there were any actual 'snipers', and the original allegation was that they were there to protect the drag queen story hour, not to shoot them: https://dorisvsutherland.com/2019/12/09/did-snipers-really-guard-drag-queen-story-hour-probably-not/ https://dorisvsutherland.com/2019/12/09/did-snipers-really-g... I think I also heard of a possibly different event that was similar, with a supposed Antifa militia protecting a similar event from protesters.
- p0pcult 4y agoYou're talking about rape. I am talking about books. You seem to implicitly claim that one causes the other, or makes it more likely. I dispute that claim. Stop conflating books with rape. As for armed militias: https://www.npr.org/2022/06/14/1104881726/police-in-idaho-arrested-dozens-of-patriot-front-members-near-a-pride-event https://www.npr.org/2022/06/14/1104881726/police-in-idaho-ar...
- Natsu 4y agoI haven't claimed that books are rape, just that shame isn't the harm of grooming. But some of these things are pedo-adjacent, so while I agree that they're not pedophilia or rape, they can be concerning in that right.