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> We watch Marvel movie after Marvel movie where each one is advertising for the next movie. This is an absurd statement - the movies in of themselves are ente

> We watch Marvel movie after Marvel movie where each one is advertising for the next movie. This is an absurd statement - the movies in of themselves are entertainment and not solely an advertisement.

whalesalad 4y ago
Seriously? They're all just vehicles to produce cash. Disney is a power house at this. Obviously they are entertaining, but Disney isn't out to make movies just for the sake of making good entertainment.
- sylens 4y ago
  > They're all just vehicles to produce cash. This is literally any entertainment product
  - whalesalad 4y ago
    Sure, so where do you draw the line between ad vs no ad? It's all the same, it doesn't matter.
    - zeroonetwothree 4y ago
      An ad doesn’t itself provide (significant) entertainment value, and exists primarily to get you to consume something else later. All entertainment wants to get you ‘hooked’ but that’s mostly a good thing since it makes it enjoyable. Even Homer wrote a sequel!
      - whalesalad 4y ago
        What is the difference between an "ad" and content designed to get you "hooked" ??? Both are designed influence behavior and retain your attention. They are for all intents and purposes the same thing. Virtually everything is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
      - dwringer 4y ago
        Furthermore a lot of ads seem quite obviously designed to annoy and harass, not to entertain, just so they get their hooks in deeper. But I'll also agree with the counterpoint - it's all a matter of perspective and what's entertaining for some can be annoying or harassing for others.
  - satyrnein 4y ago
    Or all other goods and services, for that matter, in a market economy.
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- donatj 4y ago
  Why not both? The only reason any movie exists, excluding amateur films, is to make money. The only reason any product exists is to make money. Something being made with money in mind doesn’t exclude its other properties. Apple makes iPhones to make money, but they make phone calls. Disney makes movies to make money, but they provide entertainment.
  - whalesalad 4y ago
    An amateur film student making an artistic film to tell a story is a lot different than Disney making $1.5 billion dollars on a single Avengers movie. Everything in the latter case is calculated. The parks will get new areas and rides, new merch will get created, video game partnerships, action figures and comic books, etc. That shifts the narrative from entertainment for the sake of entertainment towards revenue for the sake of revenue. I am not saying this is good or bad, but it is important to be able to see the distinction. Intention is important.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      So you think the “artistic film student” isn’t trying to get into the industry “with the intention” of getting noticed by the industry to make money?
      - ryukoposting 4y ago
        I don't. I think there are people who get pleasure out of expressing themselves through motion picture. I get it out of writing code. Conveniently, making movies and writing code are both things that society will pay you to do.
        scarface74 4y ago
        Look at who the major contributors are to Linux. They aren’t doing it to make the world a better a place. They are doing it for the same reason that most people go to work - to exchange labor for money to suooort their addiction to food and shelter.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Yes because in the good ole days, entertainment use to be done for altruistic reasons. See also, every other company that produce goods and services for profit by getting people to spend money on something they desire.
  - ASalazarMX 4y ago
    To be fair, Marvel movies are handled like their comics, where you had to buy X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers, Hulk, Spiderman etc. to have the whole story of a saga. It was a pretty blatant attempt at selling comics.
- ianbutler 4y ago
  Even Hollywood masterpieces with high critical acclaim are trying to make money. I don't think you're actually saying anything. I don't have super highbrow movie tastes so independent artsy films bore me. I like action movies, run and gun. Things like Snatch or Bullet Train and only companies like Disney and Sony are making those.
- iso1631 4y ago
  That's the same with pretty much any art produced, certainly anything popular. Do you consider Philosophers Stone an advert for Chamber of Secrets?
GiveOver 4y ago
You could say this about anything. My shampoo bottle is an advertisement to buy the next bottle. My car is an advertisement for other people to buy the same car.

whalesalad 4y ago

Seriously? They're all just vehicles to produce cash. Disney is a power house at this. Obviously they are entertaining, but Disney isn't out to make movies just for the sake of making good entertainment.

sylens 4y ago
> They're all just vehicles to produce cash. This is literally any entertainment product
- whalesalad 4y ago
  Sure, so where do you draw the line between ad vs no ad? It's all the same, it doesn't matter.
  - zeroonetwothree 4y ago
    An ad doesn’t itself provide (significant) entertainment value, and exists primarily to get you to consume something else later. All entertainment wants to get you ‘hooked’ but that’s mostly a good thing since it makes it enjoyable. Even Homer wrote a sequel!
    - whalesalad 4y ago
      What is the difference between an "ad" and content designed to get you "hooked" ??? Both are designed influence behavior and retain your attention. They are for all intents and purposes the same thing. Virtually everything is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
    - dwringer 4y ago
      Furthermore a lot of ads seem quite obviously designed to annoy and harass, not to entertain, just so they get their hooks in deeper. But I'll also agree with the counterpoint - it's all a matter of perspective and what's entertaining for some can be annoying or harassing for others.
- satyrnein 4y ago
  Or all other goods and services, for that matter, in a market economy.
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donatj 4y ago
Why not both? The only reason any movie exists, excluding amateur films, is to make money. The only reason any product exists is to make money. Something being made with money in mind doesn’t exclude its other properties. Apple makes iPhones to make money, but they make phone calls. Disney makes movies to make money, but they provide entertainment.
- whalesalad 4y ago
  An amateur film student making an artistic film to tell a story is a lot different than Disney making $1.5 billion dollars on a single Avengers movie. Everything in the latter case is calculated. The parks will get new areas and rides, new merch will get created, video game partnerships, action figures and comic books, etc. That shifts the narrative from entertainment for the sake of entertainment towards revenue for the sake of revenue. I am not saying this is good or bad, but it is important to be able to see the distinction. Intention is important.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    So you think the “artistic film student” isn’t trying to get into the industry “with the intention” of getting noticed by the industry to make money?
    - ryukoposting 4y ago
      I don't. I think there are people who get pleasure out of expressing themselves through motion picture. I get it out of writing code. Conveniently, making movies and writing code are both things that society will pay you to do.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Look at who the major contributors are to Linux. They aren’t doing it to make the world a better a place. They are doing it for the same reason that most people go to work - to exchange labor for money to suooort their addiction to food and shelter.
scarface74 4y ago
Yes because in the good ole days, entertainment use to be done for altruistic reasons. See also, every other company that produce goods and services for profit by getting people to spend money on something they desire.
- ASalazarMX 4y ago
  To be fair, Marvel movies are handled like their comics, where you had to buy X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers, Hulk, Spiderman etc. to have the whole story of a saga. It was a pretty blatant attempt at selling comics.
ianbutler 4y ago
Even Hollywood masterpieces with high critical acclaim are trying to make money. I don't think you're actually saying anything. I don't have super highbrow movie tastes so independent artsy films bore me. I like action movies, run and gun. Things like Snatch or Bullet Train and only companies like Disney and Sony are making those.
iso1631 4y ago
That's the same with pretty much any art produced, certainly anything popular. Do you consider Philosophers Stone an advert for Chamber of Secrets?

GiveOver 4y ago

You could say this about anything. My shampoo bottle is an advertisement to buy the next bottle. My car is an advertisement for other people to buy the same car.