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I've owned 3 EVs and Tesla is the lowest quality car I've ever owned. Teslas weigh down the average b/c they're the majority of EVs on the road.

krzyk 4y ago
Teslas the majority? I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Is there any ranking of amount of EVs by brand sold to date? AFAIR Nissan Leaf was selling quite well some time in Europe. And in 2022 I see BYD sold more vehicles than Tesla, but I can't find data for all the EVs sold in the past.
- _ea1k 4y ago
  In the US, the vast majority of EVs on the road are Teslas. Even today, they account for over 50% of sales. Other automakers are not shipping in volume to the US.
- bitdivision 4y ago
  Not sure how reliable the source is but this [0] shows 60% of US EV sales were Teslas in Q3. 0: https://joinyaa.com/guides/electric-vehicle-market-share-and-sales/ https://joinyaa.com/guides/electric-vehicle-market-share-and...
- audunw 4y ago
  > I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Eh, Model S was high-end but wouldn't call it luxury. Lots of regular people with a decent income bought it. Interior wasn't up to "luxury" standards. My kindergarten teacher has a Model 3, so that's not really luxury at all.
  - zhdc1 4y ago
    > My kindergarten teacher has a Model 3, so that's not really luxury at all. Dual incomes make this a weak metric. The Model 3 also retails for the same price as the BMW 5 series and Mercedes-Benz E class.
  - weberer 4y ago
    Huh, looks like the Model 3 sells for $47,000. Much less than I was expecting, but still a bit pricey for a kindergarten teacher.
  - krzyk 4y ago
    Model 3 is 2x the price of Nissan Leaf, and Leaf is a bit price for its size. Leaf costs 2x the price of equivalent petrol car. A car that costs 4x the price of "normal car" is a luxury for my taste. And Model 3 is the least expensive Tesla car.
    - fragmede 4y ago
      Eh depends on what you call equivalent. A base model 2023 Toyota Corolla is $21k, a fully decked out one is $28k or so. A 2022 Nissan Leaf is $27k. So not quite double.
      - krzyk 4y ago
        Oh, you are right. Nissan Leaf few years ago looked more like B-segment (subcompact - like e.g. Honda Fit) but now I see it is actually a compact (C-segment).
- vardump 4y ago
  BYD sold more vehicles, but less BEVs than Tesla. BYD makes also plugin hybrids.
- kraig 4y ago
  At least in Los Angeles, Teslas are more of an upgraded Prius. Most people with money have been replacing them with Taycans or E-trons over the last 2-3 years.
  - skrowl 4y ago
    The wait list for a Porsche Taycan is 18 months to 2 years. They just can't make enough of them.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  > I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Aren't EVs in generally really still luxury (or at least high middle tier) brands? Are there EV equivalents of a Civic?
  - _ea1k 4y ago
    The Bolt is the closest in the US. It has very limited DCFC capability compared to the Model 3, though.
  - leetcrew 4y ago
    a Chevy bolt is competitive on price with tax incentives factored in. it's actually not bad, but imo the civic is a much better value unless you really want an EV.
  - nhecker 4y ago
    I can't speak to what's currently available in the US market, but my 2014 Mitsubisht iMiev is blissfully basic. Unfortunately it was so much so that it didn't sell well here and got taken off the market. No central display screen other than a few monochrome characters for the radio. Buttons everywhere. Manual seats. No backup camera. The ~50mi range from a 16 KWh battery pack is suboptimal for long-range driving, but it's perfect for the city. It is smaller than a Civic though. I get the impression that, for first-world markets, "EV" is synonomous with "Tesla" and that irks me. It's just a different drivetrain, but somehow the focus groups have decided that all EVs have to have the same de-featured tablet-on-wheels look. I'm generalizing here, but I agree with the sentiment behind your question. I wish there were more traditionally designed cars with EV drivetrains becuase when I drive this one into the ground I sure hope there's something similar to replace it with.
  - Kirby64 4y ago
    Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf are both cars I would consider to be Civic-class cars. Especially the Bolt. They also happen to be two of the cheapest EVs on the road, so it lines up.
    - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
- willcipriano 4y ago
  EVs are luxury cars full stop. A luxury EV is a redundant phrase, outside of China.
socialismisok 4y ago
Huge plus one, we sold our Tesla because it was a reliability nightmare.

krzyk 4y ago

Teslas the majority? I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Is there any ranking of amount of EVs by brand sold to date? AFAIR Nissan Leaf was selling quite well some time in Europe. And in 2022 I see BYD sold more vehicles than Tesla, but I can't find data for all the EVs sold in the past.

_ea1k 4y ago
In the US, the vast majority of EVs on the road are Teslas. Even today, they account for over 50% of sales. Other automakers are not shipping in volume to the US.
bitdivision 4y ago
Not sure how reliable the source is but this [0] shows 60% of US EV sales were Teslas in Q3. 0: https://joinyaa.com/guides/electric-vehicle-market-share-and-sales/ https://joinyaa.com/guides/electric-vehicle-market-share-and...
audunw 4y ago
> I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Eh, Model S was high-end but wouldn't call it luxury. Lots of regular people with a decent income bought it. Interior wasn't up to "luxury" standards. My kindergarten teacher has a Model 3, so that's not really luxury at all.
- zhdc1 4y ago
  > My kindergarten teacher has a Model 3, so that's not really luxury at all. Dual incomes make this a weak metric. The Model 3 also retails for the same price as the BMW 5 series and Mercedes-Benz E class.
- weberer 4y ago
  Huh, looks like the Model 3 sells for $47,000. Much less than I was expecting, but still a bit pricey for a kindergarten teacher.
- krzyk 4y ago
  Model 3 is 2x the price of Nissan Leaf, and Leaf is a bit price for its size. Leaf costs 2x the price of equivalent petrol car. A car that costs 4x the price of "normal car" is a luxury for my taste. And Model 3 is the least expensive Tesla car.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    Eh depends on what you call equivalent. A base model 2023 Toyota Corolla is $21k, a fully decked out one is $28k or so. A 2022 Nissan Leaf is $27k. So not quite double.
    - krzyk 4y ago
      Oh, you are right. Nissan Leaf few years ago looked more like B-segment (subcompact - like e.g. Honda Fit) but now I see it is actually a compact (C-segment).
vardump 4y ago
BYD sold more vehicles, but less BEVs than Tesla. BYD makes also plugin hybrids.
kraig 4y ago
At least in Los Angeles, Teslas are more of an upgraded Prius. Most people with money have been replacing them with Taycans or E-trons over the last 2-3 years.
- skrowl 4y ago
  The wait list for a Porsche Taycan is 18 months to 2 years. They just can't make enough of them.
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
> I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Aren't EVs in generally really still luxury (or at least high middle tier) brands? Are there EV equivalents of a Civic?
- _ea1k 4y ago
  The Bolt is the closest in the US. It has very limited DCFC capability compared to the Model 3, though.
- leetcrew 4y ago
  a Chevy bolt is competitive on price with tax incentives factored in. it's actually not bad, but imo the civic is a much better value unless you really want an EV.
- nhecker 4y ago
  I can't speak to what's currently available in the US market, but my 2014 Mitsubisht iMiev is blissfully basic. Unfortunately it was so much so that it didn't sell well here and got taken off the market. No central display screen other than a few monochrome characters for the radio. Buttons everywhere. Manual seats. No backup camera. The ~50mi range from a 16 KWh battery pack is suboptimal for long-range driving, but it's perfect for the city. It is smaller than a Civic though. I get the impression that, for first-world markets, "EV" is synonomous with "Tesla" and that irks me. It's just a different drivetrain, but somehow the focus groups have decided that all EVs have to have the same de-featured tablet-on-wheels look. I'm generalizing here, but I agree with the sentiment behind your question. I wish there were more traditionally designed cars with EV drivetrains becuase when I drive this one into the ground I sure hope there's something similar to replace it with.
- Kirby64 4y ago
  Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf are both cars I would consider to be Civic-class cars. Especially the Bolt. They also happen to be two of the cheapest EVs on the road, so it lines up.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
willcipriano 4y ago
EVs are luxury cars full stop. A luxury EV is a redundant phrase, outside of China.

socialismisok 4y ago

Huge plus one, we sold our Tesla because it was a reliability nightmare.