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Yes. Twitter is unprofitable. People working there come off as lazy and entitled. They openly attack Elon, not contributing anything tangible except "rich man

by zmxz 4y ago

Yes. Twitter is unprofitable. People working there come off as lazy and entitled. They openly attack Elon, not contributing anything tangible except "rich man evil, worker good". Previous management wasted investor's money. Culture born in Twitter is awful, it's as if no one is proud of their work and low performers are loud and toxic. I have no problem with Elon's stance, I don't even view him as narcissist like some have labelled him. I'd fire every single unproductive, toxic person I see and I'd want to work with people who are objective, who are there to be proud of their work and who genuinely like what they're doing. I'm fed up with impostors posing as engineers, using the platform to blatantly attack and bear no responsibility of their own. Elon's not someone who'll fire a person who is good at what they do. Openly attacking the owner and boss, knowing it can only be net negative for both of you is downright STUPID and trusting people who were bad at their job (because money trail proves it) just to have a reason to hate on Elon is not even stupid, it's evil.

Invictus0 4y ago
> Elon's not someone who'll fire a person who is good at what they do. Insulting 3500 people at once, nice.
- zmxz 4y ago
  Insulting? It's true. It's not an insult. You're using mental gymnastics right now to make your point. 3500 people employed in a company that has no oversight of what they do, which is capable of getting huge investment and which wastes that money without any care in the world. It sounds like an awesome place for people who aren't really good at what they do. Recent letting go spree is a result of unproductive employees. You can call it insulting, but I didn't create this situation and if you're deliberately oblivious to what's in front of you - that's your choice. I did not create this situation, I'm an observer and it's trivial to observe and assert that IT is full of terrible employees, many of whom are really, really bad at what they do.
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muglug 4y ago
You think Twitter is unprofitable now? Just wait until all the advertising dollars disappear because of Musk’s behaviour.
- zmxz 4y ago
  I don't really care about Twitter as whole, it's a bad company from any aspect. It was unprofitable before Musk and it would go bankrupt. I don't really care what he'll do with it, if he'll delete it in the end or not. Point is: remove Musk, Twitter still dies. Previous management was bad, employees were bad too.
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mcphage 4y ago
> Elon's not someone who'll fire a person who is good at what they do. And if he measures that by "number of lines of code written", do believe that is an accurate measure of how good a programmer is at what they do?
- zmxz 4y ago
  I find it unbelievable how apparently smart people are disconnected from context. If you genuinely believe he did that to measure performance then I've nothing to tell you. I understood that as an exercise to prove that Twitter employs engineers who don't write a line of code for months and it turned out to be true. It was an easy way to weed out lazy, entitled or otherwise useless employees who are just a waste of money. Which is how Twitter managed to get into such a bad financial position - wasting money for unnecessary expenses.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  > And if he measures that by "number of lines of code written" I've seen a lot of people making that claim, but no actual evidence that he did that. You do understand that "evaluating someone's competence by reading their code" is not necessarily the same as "evaluating someone's competence by counting the number of lines", right?
  - mcphage 4y ago
    > I've seen a lot of people making that claim, but no actual evidence that he did that. Same here—I've seen it reported, but I don't know if it's true. However, upstream of me also claimed: > Elon's not someone who'll fire a person who is good at what they do. Which as far as I can see is just as much a claim made without evidence—all the evidence that I have seen about this has at least indicated the opposite, even if it's not crystal clear.
    - zmxz 4y ago
      > Which as far as I can see is just as much a claim made without evidence—all the evidence that I have seen about this has at least indicated the opposite, even if it's not crystal clear. The evidence you're after is called being the richest man on the planet. He didn't achieve that by creating everything he sells by himself and by mistreating his employees. Some really, really brilliant people work for him and they thrive. You, of course, are free to choose to believe what you want or to be objective for a second. It's trivial to hate someone, especially when you're fed negative news about them, but just give yourself the freedom to think about Musk objectively. Disclaimer: I'm not his fan, but I'm honestly tired of self-proclaimed moral verticals judging the guy and every step he makes, not giving him a possibility of just being human and making errors along the way, as if they'd be able to do anything better if the places were swapped. It's disgusting. If you were in his shoes and if an engineer who can't make an Android app to work in this day and age belittles you publicly, you'd fire him too.

by zmxz 4y ago

Invictus0 4y ago

> Elon's not someone who'll fire a person who is good at what they do. Insulting 3500 people at once, nice.

zmxz 4y ago
Insulting? It's true. It's not an insult. You're using mental gymnastics right now to make your point. 3500 people employed in a company that has no oversight of what they do, which is capable of getting huge investment and which wastes that money without any care in the world. It sounds like an awesome place for people who aren't really good at what they do. Recent letting go spree is a result of unproductive employees. You can call it insulting, but I didn't create this situation and if you're deliberately oblivious to what's in front of you - that's your choice. I did not create this situation, I'm an observer and it's trivial to observe and assert that IT is full of terrible employees, many of whom are really, really bad at what they do.
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muglug 4y ago

You think Twitter is unprofitable now? Just wait until all the advertising dollars disappear because of Musk’s behaviour.

zmxz 4y ago
I don't really care about Twitter as whole, it's a bad company from any aspect. It was unprofitable before Musk and it would go bankrupt. I don't really care what he'll do with it, if he'll delete it in the end or not. Point is: remove Musk, Twitter still dies. Previous management was bad, employees were bad too.

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mcphage 4y ago

> Elon's not someone who'll fire a person who is good at what they do. And if he measures that by "number of lines of code written", do believe that is an accurate measure of how good a programmer is at what they do?

zmxz 4y ago
I find it unbelievable how apparently smart people are disconnected from context. If you genuinely believe he did that to measure performance then I've nothing to tell you. I understood that as an exercise to prove that Twitter employs engineers who don't write a line of code for months and it turned out to be true. It was an easy way to weed out lazy, entitled or otherwise useless employees who are just a waste of money. Which is how Twitter managed to get into such a bad financial position - wasting money for unnecessary expenses.
Turing_Machine 4y ago
> And if he measures that by "number of lines of code written" I've seen a lot of people making that claim, but no actual evidence that he did that. You do understand that "evaluating someone's competence by reading their code" is not necessarily the same as "evaluating someone's competence by counting the number of lines", right?
- mcphage 4y ago
  > I've seen a lot of people making that claim, but no actual evidence that he did that. Same here—I've seen it reported, but I don't know if it's true. However, upstream of me also claimed: > Elon's not someone who'll fire a person who is good at what they do. Which as far as I can see is just as much a claim made without evidence—all the evidence that I have seen about this has at least indicated the opposite, even if it's not crystal clear.
  - zmxz 4y ago
    > Which as far as I can see is just as much a claim made without evidence—all the evidence that I have seen about this has at least indicated the opposite, even if it's not crystal clear. The evidence you're after is called being the richest man on the planet. He didn't achieve that by creating everything he sells by himself and by mistreating his employees. Some really, really brilliant people work for him and they thrive. You, of course, are free to choose to believe what you want or to be objective for a second. It's trivial to hate someone, especially when you're fed negative news about them, but just give yourself the freedom to think about Musk objectively. Disclaimer: I'm not his fan, but I'm honestly tired of self-proclaimed moral verticals judging the guy and every step he makes, not giving him a possibility of just being human and making errors along the way, as if they'd be able to do anything better if the places were swapped. It's disgusting. If you were in his shoes and if an engineer who can't make an Android app to work in this day and age belittles you publicly, you'd fire him too.