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>HN is manipulated at its finest It's patently obvious to anyone who is honest with themselves that all coverage of the Ukraine conflict is biased to one side

>HN is manipulated at its finest It's patently obvious to anyone who is honest with themselves that all coverage of the Ukraine conflict is biased to one side or the other. And here in the west, it's biased towards the pro-Ukraine narrative. I read a wide variety of news sites, ranging from The Guardian to Russia Today to China Daily [and several more in between] and it's striking, not how bias is shown in what's reported. But also in what's not reported or is glossed over. A couple of examples: 1: The alleged discovery of US biolabs in Ukraine was pretty much ignored by the western media but got lots of coverage on RT and was also mentioned on CD. 2: When Ukraine bombed the Crimean bridge, Russia Today led with the fact 3 civilians were killed and 2 were missing presumed dead. The fact that civiliams were killed was not mentioned at all on the BBC etc. Conversely, when Russia started the bombardment of Ukraine's infrastructure, RT led with how the bombardments had taken out 'weapons storage' and 'communications' and didn't mention any civilian casualties. While the BBC etc. led with the numbers of civilians killed. 3: RT has been claiming that there have been videos posted on social media of Ukrainian militia flying fascist banners and giving nazi salutes. Again this has not been mentioned at all in the western press --presumably as it gives some credence to Russia's justification that it invaded Ukraine to counter Fascism and undermines the western narrative that 'Russia = Wholly Evil. Ukraine = Wholly Good' I said at the top, I consume news from a wide range of sources, of all political hues. Interestingly, since the Ukraine conflict started, I've been finding that most of the time Russia Today is unreachable from my browser, or through VPN connected via anywhere in western Europe or the US. Yet, strangley enough I have no problem connecting to the site though VPN via Asian countries. Odd that, isn't it? It's almost like censorship. Except, as we all know, only nasty oppressive countries like Iran, China, Russia etc. try to block their people's access to foreign news sources. It must be just coincidence.

syzarian 4y ago
It seems unreasonable to me to call Ukraine fascist when it has a democratically elected government and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2014 was a consequence of Ukrainians getting rid of a highly corrupt, dubiously elected leader. In Russia “nazism” is synonymous with “anti-Russia”. From my perspective it’s clear that Russia is the aggressor and it’s actions are morally unjustifiable. All societies engage in censorship in one form or other.
- Normille 4y ago
  >It seems unreasonable to me to call Ukraine fascist when it has a democratically elected government and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2014 was a consequence of Ukrainians getting rid of a highly corrupt, dubiously elected leader... There's another classic example. In the west, the 'Maidan Revolution' is reported as a popular uprising to overthrow a corrupt government. On the Russian side the same events are reported as a revolution fomented by the CIA to overthrow a democratically elected government, because it was pro-Moscow, and replace it with a pro-western one. Is either version the absolute truth? Is either version a total lie? I'd say, as with most such tales, the truth is found somewhere in the middle. You've even done it yourself. You said Ukraine has a "democratically elected government" which replaced a "highly corrupt, dubiously elected leader". But the previous government was democratically elected too. And was overthrown by a revolution [popular or otherwise]. >All societies engage in censorship in one form or other. Of course. But only the west seems to maintain this pretense that "we" don't and "they" do. EDIT: Oddly enough, I just closed this edit window to see a submission from the Guardian: "China circles El Salvador’s economy as country edges toward crypto plunge" [0] with 'circling' giving a nice predatory image of a shark waiting to move in for the kill on a hapless victim. I wonder how that headline would have been worded if the US or EU was in talks to buy up El Salvador's debt instead of China? [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/15/china-el-salvador-economy-cryptocurrency-fall https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/15/china-el-...
  - syzarian 4y ago
    Of course there was American support for Maidan but that in no way undermines the legitimacy of the current government. Clearly, as we see from the peoples’ reaction to Russian occupation of territory after the February invasion that Russia’s actions are not popular amongst Ukrainians. Since Ukrainians are the ones being occupied their wishes on this matter take moral precedence. The fact is that Russia has not been stably non expansionist for centuries. Russia’s actions in Belarus, Georgia, Ukraine, etc. show that whenever a government gains power that they don’t or where people rise up against a government they do like they react with military intervention. And in Ukraine in particular their actions are not supported by the people being affected. They are the morally reprehensible party. In the same way American overthrow of popularly elected governments in the past have been morally reprehensible.

syzarian 4y ago

It seems unreasonable to me to call Ukraine fascist when it has a democratically elected government and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2014 was a consequence of Ukrainians getting rid of a highly corrupt, dubiously elected leader. In Russia “nazism” is synonymous with “anti-Russia”. From my perspective it’s clear that Russia is the aggressor and it’s actions are morally unjustifiable. All societies engage in censorship in one form or other.

Normille 4y ago
>It seems unreasonable to me to call Ukraine fascist when it has a democratically elected government and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2014 was a consequence of Ukrainians getting rid of a highly corrupt, dubiously elected leader... There's another classic example. In the west, the 'Maidan Revolution' is reported as a popular uprising to overthrow a corrupt government. On the Russian side the same events are reported as a revolution fomented by the CIA to overthrow a democratically elected government, because it was pro-Moscow, and replace it with a pro-western one. Is either version the absolute truth? Is either version a total lie? I'd say, as with most such tales, the truth is found somewhere in the middle. You've even done it yourself. You said Ukraine has a "democratically elected government" which replaced a "highly corrupt, dubiously elected leader". But the previous government was democratically elected too. And was overthrown by a revolution [popular or otherwise]. >All societies engage in censorship in one form or other. Of course. But only the west seems to maintain this pretense that "we" don't and "they" do. EDIT: Oddly enough, I just closed this edit window to see a submission from the Guardian: "China circles El Salvador’s economy as country edges toward crypto plunge" [0] with 'circling' giving a nice predatory image of a shark waiting to move in for the kill on a hapless victim. I wonder how that headline would have been worded if the US or EU was in talks to buy up El Salvador's debt instead of China? [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/15/china-el-salvador-economy-cryptocurrency-fall https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/15/china-el-...
- syzarian 4y ago
  Of course there was American support for Maidan but that in no way undermines the legitimacy of the current government. Clearly, as we see from the peoples’ reaction to Russian occupation of territory after the February invasion that Russia’s actions are not popular amongst Ukrainians. Since Ukrainians are the ones being occupied their wishes on this matter take moral precedence. The fact is that Russia has not been stably non expansionist for centuries. Russia’s actions in Belarus, Georgia, Ukraine, etc. show that whenever a government gains power that they don’t or where people rise up against a government they do like they react with military intervention. And in Ukraine in particular their actions are not supported by the people being affected. They are the morally reprehensible party. In the same way American overthrow of popularly elected governments in the past have been morally reprehensible.