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I just read the mail he sent to employees last night. In which he asks them to agree to a hardcore work culture or get fired. I guess to get people to work for

I just read the mail he sent to employees last night. In which he asks them to agree to a hardcore work culture or get fired. I guess to get people to work for you under such a leadership, you have to pay above normal salaries? Twice of what is normal? Or what other reason would people have to continue work at Twitter?

MadSudaca 4y ago
Maybe the challenge.
- gasull 4y ago
  Believing in the mission.
- tartoran 4y ago
  The challenge of the race to the bottom can be fun if you’re a sadomasochist
- TillE 4y ago
  Challenges aren't hard to find if someone wants them. Go found a startup or something. Is this an interesting challenge, or just the slog of trying to maintain a service shorthanded?
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mc32 4y ago
It probably helps to get slackers and non-believers and "activists" to self-select off. People who had oversized compensation relative to contribution to the bottom line. It will also provoke some good ICs to quit out of frustration too. The ones who stay behind probably have various reasons to stay behind. They believe in the product, like the challenge, want to have impact, working with lower org entropy, less activism, etc., despite liking or not liking their boss. I see people disagreeing with me, fine. But I still think this will rid the organization of most slackers and non-contributors.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  I can only assume the ones who stay believe they have no other options. Honestly, I can't see how someone with self respect could accept a mercurial tyrant for a leader. There doesn't seem to be a vision to get behind here beside "whatever Elon feels like today".
  - gadders 4y ago
    Plenty of people wanted to work for Steve Jobs. //edit// And I'm speaking more to the tyrant and just generally not being a good person rather than the mercurial aspect.
    - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
      I admittedly don't know much about Jobs, but I believe he was known to be temperamental. Was he so quick to change his vision and goals? I find this Job's quote pretty stark in contrast to how Elon has been dealing with Twitter: "It doesn't make sense to hire smart people and tell them what to do. We hire smart people so they can tell us what to do." Though I don't know if he lived up to those words or not.
  - mc32 4y ago
    Often people who work for startups work for dysfunctional organizations. Mature F500 Orgs also have lots of internal dysfunction. Most places are not "SGI"-type organizations. Also what we see in public is different from what people see on the inside. Much of what see in public is the agitators being angry. Also, some regular staff will get caught up in the maelstrom, that's understood. But, if you are part of the org that emerges out of this difficult time, you may find it rewarding. I think much of the difficulty is attributable to people having been used to the previous management style not being able to adapt to the new one and conservatively wanting to retain the familiar, their cozy fireplace in the winter. Elon, is like, arouse, we have work to do!
    - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
onphonenow 4y ago
I think staff SWE is in the 500k+ range at twitter. I know truckers, delivery drivers and others working harder far from home for less. And he’s gotten lucky in the sense the job market has cooled in the Bay Area a bit - so yes people resigning but it might not be a slam dunk always
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faizshah 4y ago
At an early stage startup there’s at least the chance you will make some of the spoils. At SpaceX you can be motivated by working in the space industry. At twitter the motivation is you are helping pay off a multi billion dollar loan to hedge funds? Never thought we would see the day someone trying to institute 996 in the US is celebrated.

MadSudaca 4y ago

Maybe the challenge.

gasull 4y ago
Believing in the mission.
tartoran 4y ago
The challenge of the race to the bottom can be fun if you’re a sadomasochist
TillE 4y ago
Challenges aren't hard to find if someone wants them. Go found a startup or something. Is this an interesting challenge, or just the slog of trying to maintain a service shorthanded?

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mc32 4y ago

It probably helps to get slackers and non-believers and "activists" to self-select off. People who had oversized compensation relative to contribution to the bottom line. It will also provoke some good ICs to quit out of frustration too. The ones who stay behind probably have various reasons to stay behind. They believe in the product, like the challenge, want to have impact, working with lower org entropy, less activism, etc., despite liking or not liking their boss. I see people disagreeing with me, fine. But I still think this will rid the organization of most slackers and non-contributors.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
I can only assume the ones who stay believe they have no other options. Honestly, I can't see how someone with self respect could accept a mercurial tyrant for a leader. There doesn't seem to be a vision to get behind here beside "whatever Elon feels like today".
- gadders 4y ago
  Plenty of people wanted to work for Steve Jobs. //edit// And I'm speaking more to the tyrant and just generally not being a good person rather than the mercurial aspect.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    I admittedly don't know much about Jobs, but I believe he was known to be temperamental. Was he so quick to change his vision and goals? I find this Job's quote pretty stark in contrast to how Elon has been dealing with Twitter: "It doesn't make sense to hire smart people and tell them what to do. We hire smart people so they can tell us what to do." Though I don't know if he lived up to those words or not.
- mc32 4y ago
  Often people who work for startups work for dysfunctional organizations. Mature F500 Orgs also have lots of internal dysfunction. Most places are not "SGI"-type organizations. Also what we see in public is different from what people see on the inside. Much of what see in public is the agitators being angry. Also, some regular staff will get caught up in the maelstrom, that's understood. But, if you are part of the org that emerges out of this difficult time, you may find it rewarding. I think much of the difficulty is attributable to people having been used to the previous management style not being able to adapt to the new one and conservatively wanting to retain the familiar, their cozy fireplace in the winter. Elon, is like, arouse, we have work to do!
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

onphonenow 4y ago

I think staff SWE is in the 500k+ range at twitter. I know truckers, delivery drivers and others working harder far from home for less. And he’s gotten lucky in the sense the job market has cooled in the Bay Area a bit - so yes people resigning but it might not be a slam dunk always

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faizshah 4y ago

At an early stage startup there’s at least the chance you will make some of the spoils. At SpaceX you can be motivated by working in the space industry. At twitter the motivation is you are helping pay off a multi billion dollar loan to hedge funds? Never thought we would see the day someone trying to institute 996 in the US is celebrated.