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I actually switched to an iphone around 2.5 years ago since teams wouldn't run properly on my old android and the offerings from my company instead of iphone (h

by tyfon 4y ago

I actually switched to an iphone around 2.5 years ago since teams wouldn't run properly on my old android and the offerings from my company instead of iphone (huawei and samsung) didn't really appeal to me. Now 2.5 years later I switched back due to not being able to make friends with the apple UI despite trying for that long. It feels so constrained and inconsistent to me. The pixel phone I got now is a dream in comparison. The keyboard just works, sharing between apps just works. Keepass didn't really integrate with ios, in android I can select it as my own "autofill provider". I can have firefox with ublock. The Switching either way was not really a pain for me as I never go all in on something so I just had to find app replacement. As a note to the article itself, I also run KDE on arch linux on both my work and private computers and since it matured from the 4.0 transition mess it has just been great I think. Having used linux as my desktop os since ~94-95 I am just a huge question mark when someone puts me down in front of mac os!

sidlls 4y ago
For context: I'd been a "linux person" since undergrad (mid-90s). I picked up a really early Android model after my BlackBerry expired. I have almost the exact opposite experience as you describe: I switched from Android to iPhone a couple of years ago for two reasons: 1) my Google phones (I had a pixel at the time: previously had written it was a Nexus, but it was not) kept bricking; 2) I got an old model iPhone (it was an iPhone 8) to use as my work phone. The iPhone 8 performed better and had a much better UX than my then-current Nexus. It just wasn't even a fair comparison, really. I upgraded my personal device to the latest iPhone and haven't looked back. I haven't even touched an Android phone since then, and unless something really compelling happens to force it I probably never will again. Same thing with my laptop, actually: around the same time I decided to give a macbook a go. I haven't regretted it at all.
- tyfon 4y ago
  Apple fits a lot of people, just not me :) I think for me the major issue is that I don't like any of the default options in the iphone and the 3rd party keyboards kept bugging out, even swiftkey and gboard would act really weird. Also the undocumented gestures drove me nuts. And not being able to just have a normal browser with proper ad block and simple things like that.
- selfhoster11 4y ago
  FWIW, fellow Android->iPhone escapee here. I am not planning to get an Android phone for a while, unless iOS becomes much worse or Android much better.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Similar here, learned on DOS and Windows (3.1-98se) then used desktop Linux alongside Windows for about a decade, and when I eventually got a smartphone started on Android (because it was cheaper) before finally getting significant experience with iOS and OSX because I started working at a mobile dev shop (dual-platform, not just iOS). Once I got used to OSX/macOS (took maybe six months) I wondered WTF I'd been doing with my life, and seeing tons of Android and iOS devices side-by-side every day, and working on apps for both, made it really clear to me which was better and what I ought to be using, and it wasn't even close. I've got complaints about Apple and they make mis-steps all the time—and I'm really worried about their getting into ads more heavily—but everyone else doesn't even seem to be trying to compete with what they're doing, so there's no real alternative.
- fikama 4y ago
  I am glad that you are content with iPhone, and that it works for you. - It's what really matters. But I just want to point out that the latest nexus phone is from 2015 and iPhone 8 was released in 2017.
  - sidlls 4y ago
    You're right: it was the next line after Nexus, Pixel, that I had. I edited my original comment.
hbn 4y ago
> Keepass didn't really integrate with ios, in android I can select it as my own "autofill provider" I've been using an iPhone for almost exactly 2 years now and I didn't realized until like a month ago that you can change the default password manager. Unless Keepass just didn't tap into the API (which would surprise me), but Enpass works like a charm and I felt like an idiot for manually going into the app and copy-pasting this whole time. Settings > Passwords > Password Options And then set "allow filling from" to your password manager
- tyfon 4y ago
  On the pixel phone "it just works" with keepass. But yeah I didn't know about that option either in iOS after 2.5 years.. It says something about the UI I think.
  - microtonal 4y ago
    I don't know. My password manager just told me to change the option there and it was never an issue. They have to put the setting somewhere. Alternatively a password manager could register itself with the OS, but that has a certain security risk (even with a dialog, which we just tend to dismiss).
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  Even if you don’t change the default manager, third party managers automatically appear as options for auto filling password fields. I’m thinking that whichever keepass client OP was using (there are multiple on the App Store) didn’t actually take advantage of the password API. Which ties into why I haven’t been able to switch to keepass: client quality is all over the place and even if you find one you like, there’s no telling when it’s going to go dark and if you’re lucky get forked.
atraac 4y ago
> The keyboard just works, sharing between apps just works. Keepass didn't really integrate with ios, in android I can select it as my own "autofill provider". I can have firefox with ublock. Password managers work without any issues, I'm using Bitwarden happily. Sharing between the apps is also a thing? I'm not sure what exactly do you mean but I have zero issues navigating, copying stuff between the apps, the only issue is with Google Photos when you remove them from local storage, as sharing in iOS won't detect those unless you manually download them again or share from within Google Photos. Learned to live with that. I agree with lack of uBlock for Firefox, though new Safari has 'mods' and Hyperweb helps. Keyboard is something I genuinely don't understand. How a company the size of Apple can make such a shit keyboard app is beyond me. It's nearly impossible to use if you speak two languages, their dictionaries are terrible and general feel is generally lackluster. I switched to GBoard which I like, even though Google doesn't care enough to fix few bugs and clear performance issues in it. It's funny you call iOS UI inconsistent while most iOS apps are way better designed, actually adhere to styling guidelines and are much more intuitive to use once you get used to iOS gestures and behaviours. Unlike Android where it's literally wild west and Material Design changes so quickly that no sane developer is able to keep up with new 'redesigns'. I switched from Android over a year ago as an ex-fanboy(I also worked as an Android Developer for a while) and I would never come back. Amount of shit that constantly goes wrong in Android ecosystem is baffling, while Google got ahold of permission system, insane battery degradation is still my main issue. Even though I loved my S9, barely a year in it wouldn't even hold a day on a single charge. Even after battery replacement, it just barely did. Android is so poorly optimized that background services can do practically anything they want. People learned how to work around Doze years ago, hell, I made commercial products that did exactly that. Apple's politic regarding background use is way more pro-user. The same thing happens to every Android phone I ever had, it works great for a year, then battery and overall performance goes to hell slowly over the next year, until it's just annoying to use. I actually considered buying a Pixel device but Google is clearly too small of a company to offer their products in more than few countries and the amount of issues on release made me go with Apple. I'll pay premium if the thing just works and does what I want it to.

by tyfon 4y ago

sidlls 4y ago

For context: I'd been a "linux person" since undergrad (mid-90s). I picked up a really early Android model after my BlackBerry expired. I have almost the exact opposite experience as you describe: I switched from Android to iPhone a couple of years ago for two reasons: 1) my Google phones (I had a pixel at the time: previously had written it was a Nexus, but it was not) kept bricking; 2) I got an old model iPhone (it was an iPhone 8) to use as my work phone. The iPhone 8 performed better and had a much better UX than my then-current Nexus. It just wasn't even a fair comparison, really. I upgraded my personal device to the latest iPhone and haven't looked back. I haven't even touched an Android phone since then, and unless something really compelling happens to force it I probably never will again. Same thing with my laptop, actually: around the same time I decided to give a macbook a go. I haven't regretted it at all.

tyfon 4y ago
Apple fits a lot of people, just not me :) I think for me the major issue is that I don't like any of the default options in the iphone and the 3rd party keyboards kept bugging out, even swiftkey and gboard would act really weird. Also the undocumented gestures drove me nuts. And not being able to just have a normal browser with proper ad block and simple things like that.
selfhoster11 4y ago
FWIW, fellow Android->iPhone escapee here. I am not planning to get an Android phone for a while, unless iOS becomes much worse or Android much better.
yamtaddle 4y ago
Similar here, learned on DOS and Windows (3.1-98se) then used desktop Linux alongside Windows for about a decade, and when I eventually got a smartphone started on Android (because it was cheaper) before finally getting significant experience with iOS and OSX because I started working at a mobile dev shop (dual-platform, not just iOS). Once I got used to OSX/macOS (took maybe six months) I wondered WTF I'd been doing with my life, and seeing tons of Android and iOS devices side-by-side every day, and working on apps for both, made it really clear to me which was better and what I ought to be using, and it wasn't even close. I've got complaints about Apple and they make mis-steps all the time—and I'm really worried about their getting into ads more heavily—but everyone else doesn't even seem to be trying to compete with what they're doing, so there's no real alternative.
fikama 4y ago
I am glad that you are content with iPhone, and that it works for you. - It's what really matters. But I just want to point out that the latest nexus phone is from 2015 and iPhone 8 was released in 2017.
- sidlls 4y ago
  You're right: it was the next line after Nexus, Pixel, that I had. I edited my original comment.

hbn 4y ago

> Keepass didn't really integrate with ios, in android I can select it as my own "autofill provider" I've been using an iPhone for almost exactly 2 years now and I didn't realized until like a month ago that you can change the default password manager. Unless Keepass just didn't tap into the API (which would surprise me), but Enpass works like a charm and I felt like an idiot for manually going into the app and copy-pasting this whole time. Settings > Passwords > Password Options And then set "allow filling from" to your password manager

tyfon 4y ago
On the pixel phone "it just works" with keepass. But yeah I didn't know about that option either in iOS after 2.5 years.. It says something about the UI I think.
- microtonal 4y ago
  I don't know. My password manager just told me to change the option there and it was never an issue. They have to put the setting somewhere. Alternatively a password manager could register itself with the OS, but that has a certain security risk (even with a dialog, which we just tend to dismiss).
kitsunesoba 4y ago
Even if you don’t change the default manager, third party managers automatically appear as options for auto filling password fields. I’m thinking that whichever keepass client OP was using (there are multiple on the App Store) didn’t actually take advantage of the password API. Which ties into why I haven’t been able to switch to keepass: client quality is all over the place and even if you find one you like, there’s no telling when it’s going to go dark and if you’re lucky get forked.

atraac 4y ago

> The keyboard just works, sharing between apps just works. Keepass didn't really integrate with ios, in android I can select it as my own "autofill provider". I can have firefox with ublock. Password managers work without any issues, I'm using Bitwarden happily. Sharing between the apps is also a thing? I'm not sure what exactly do you mean but I have zero issues navigating, copying stuff between the apps, the only issue is with Google Photos when you remove them from local storage, as sharing in iOS won't detect those unless you manually download them again or share from within Google Photos. Learned to live with that. I agree with lack of uBlock for Firefox, though new Safari has 'mods' and Hyperweb helps. Keyboard is something I genuinely don't understand. How a company the size of Apple can make such a shit keyboard app is beyond me. It's nearly impossible to use if you speak two languages, their dictionaries are terrible and general feel is generally lackluster. I switched to GBoard which I like, even though Google doesn't care enough to fix few bugs and clear performance issues in it. It's funny you call iOS UI inconsistent while most iOS apps are way better designed, actually adhere to styling guidelines and are much more intuitive to use once you get used to iOS gestures and behaviours. Unlike Android where it's literally wild west and Material Design changes so quickly that no sane developer is able to keep up with new 'redesigns'. I switched from Android over a year ago as an ex-fanboy(I also worked as an Android Developer for a while) and I would never come back. Amount of shit that constantly goes wrong in Android ecosystem is baffling, while Google got ahold of permission system, insane battery degradation is still my main issue. Even though I loved my S9, barely a year in it wouldn't even hold a day on a single charge. Even after battery replacement, it just barely did. Android is so poorly optimized that background services can do practically anything they want. People learned how to work around Doze years ago, hell, I made commercial products that did exactly that. Apple's politic regarding background use is way more pro-user. The same thing happens to every Android phone I ever had, it works great for a year, then battery and overall performance goes to hell slowly over the next year, until it's just annoying to use. I actually considered buying a Pixel device but Google is clearly too small of a company to offer their products in more than few countries and the amount of issues on release made me go with Apple. I'll pay premium if the thing just works and does what I want it to.