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Sure, that’s true. And intelligence very clearly seems to matter. Not many 80 IQ folks are pushing the frontiers of understanding. The best known, achieved res

Sure, that’s true. And intelligence very clearly seems to matter. Not many 80 IQ folks are pushing the frontiers of understanding. The best known, achieved result around this particular star (out of ~100,000,000,000,000 of them) after hundreds of millions of years with, ostensibly, hundreds of millions of years yet to come. There’s a difference between being the current known hyper local maximum and being at the universal limit. Talk about weaseling! :D No reason to believe we are the absolute pinnacle. There’s immense variation even within our own species, not to mention our near neighbors on evolution’s path. Edit: No one is worried about your fridge. Anyway I’ve gotta start my day, have a good rest of your week!

coldtea 4y ago
>The best known, achieved result around this particular star (out of ~100,000,000,000,000 of them) after hundreds of millions of years with, ostensibly, hundreds of millions of years yet to come. Still, this formulation heavily beats the "hairless apes" one doesn't it? Also, I'm not sure about the relevance of pointing out that it's the "best known". Or the number of stars. Are we aware of any "not known"? Or have seen any signs in any of those stars? Because decades of trying (with SETI, etc.) and so on, has mostly shown the opposite (consider e.g. the Fermi paradox). So, I think we better stick with the knowns (of which it's the best results among millions of competing organisms anyway), than handwave about what possible magic intelligence remote aliens we haven't seen and don't even know exist have... Sure, we can do it for fun and speculation, but we shouldn't use it as an argument for limitless intelligence. I mean, "Intelligence is limitless, because if E.T. exists, he could have 1000x our IQ" is not exactly an argument. >Edit: No one is worried about your fridge. No, but they're worried about the imminent danger of AGI conquering the world and killing us all when the practical examples attaibable are not far from the level of my fridge. Have a good week yourself. See you around!

coldtea 4y ago

>The best known, achieved result around this particular star (out of ~100,000,000,000,000 of them) after hundreds of millions of years with, ostensibly, hundreds of millions of years yet to come. Still, this formulation heavily beats the "hairless apes" one doesn't it? Also, I'm not sure about the relevance of pointing out that it's the "best known". Or the number of stars. Are we aware of any "not known"? Or have seen any signs in any of those stars? Because decades of trying (with SETI, etc.) and so on, has mostly shown the opposite (consider e.g. the Fermi paradox). So, I think we better stick with the knowns (of which it's the best results among millions of competing organisms anyway), than handwave about what possible magic intelligence remote aliens we haven't seen and don't even know exist have... Sure, we can do it for fun and speculation, but we shouldn't use it as an argument for limitless intelligence. I mean, "Intelligence is limitless, because if E.T. exists, he could have 1000x our IQ" is not exactly an argument. >Edit: No one is worried about your fridge. No, but they're worried about the imminent danger of AGI conquering the world and killing us all when the practical examples attaibable are not far from the level of my fridge. Have a good week yourself. See you around!