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Is there a list of representatives that support this bill anywhere? Just so voters know which people and political parties to never vote for again.

digitalsushi 15y ago
I'm afraid that subset of political parties is also its own superset.
shadowfiend 15y ago
I prefer not to decide to withdraw my vote until they cast theirs. And even then, I honestly would rather not withdraw my vote until I've discussed the matter with the relevant congressperson and found out what their reasoning was. If they can make a reasoned argument, I will reconsider. Merely disagreeing with my congressperson is not enough for me to withdraw my vote, because it's a given that I will disagree with them on various points. If they are a reasonable person, I will generally weigh the number of things we agree and disagree on. If they are not willing to listen to reason, my support is out the window immediately. Anyway, I think despite the fact that it's likely that those who support it now will vote for it, it's perhaps too early to make a decision on voting or not voting for a given person based on this bill alone.
- tommi 15y ago
  > If they are not willing to listen to reason, my support is out the window immediately. I think supporting SOPA proves that they are not willing to listen to reason.
  - shadowfiend 15y ago
    There's no evidence why that would be sufficient proof. They may have different values than you and still consider things reasonable within their framework of values. Then you have to decide whether disagreeing with you on this particular value balance is enough to lose your vote in the context of their other values.
    - tommi 15y ago
      I do appreciate that to fully understand a situation you must look it from all angles. But what is the kind of evidence you are looking for?
      - shadowfiend 15y ago
        I can't say for sure. It would depend on the particular line of reasoning of the congressperson, and how that changes depending on what they do or do not learn about the technical infrastructure from talking with me.
        ericd 15y ago
        It's usually difficult to have a candid one on one with a congressperson. You may have to votebased on what your gut says.
plaes 15y ago
Bill summary and list of cosponsors/supporters: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:HR03261:@@@P http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:HR03261:@@@P
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chris_gogreen 15y ago
The list is here, someone else added it first in another comment. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111203/00494716961/some-data-how-much-big-media-firms-are-donating-to-sopapipa-sponsors.shtml http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111203/00494716961/some-d...
- wavephorm 15y ago
  Wow, the US government is becoming frighteningly corrupt.

digitalsushi 15y ago

I'm afraid that subset of political parties is also its own superset.

shadowfiend 15y ago

I prefer not to decide to withdraw my vote until they cast theirs. And even then, I honestly would rather not withdraw my vote until I've discussed the matter with the relevant congressperson and found out what their reasoning was. If they can make a reasoned argument, I will reconsider. Merely disagreeing with my congressperson is not enough for me to withdraw my vote, because it's a given that I will disagree with them on various points. If they are a reasonable person, I will generally weigh the number of things we agree and disagree on. If they are not willing to listen to reason, my support is out the window immediately. Anyway, I think despite the fact that it's likely that those who support it now will vote for it, it's perhaps too early to make a decision on voting or not voting for a given person based on this bill alone.

tommi 15y ago
> If they are not willing to listen to reason, my support is out the window immediately. I think supporting SOPA proves that they are not willing to listen to reason.
- shadowfiend 15y ago
  There's no evidence why that would be sufficient proof. They may have different values than you and still consider things reasonable within their framework of values. Then you have to decide whether disagreeing with you on this particular value balance is enough to lose your vote in the context of their other values.
  - tommi 15y ago
    I do appreciate that to fully understand a situation you must look it from all angles. But what is the kind of evidence you are looking for?
    - shadowfiend 15y ago
      I can't say for sure. It would depend on the particular line of reasoning of the congressperson, and how that changes depending on what they do or do not learn about the technical infrastructure from talking with me.
      - ericd 15y ago
        It's usually difficult to have a candid one on one with a congressperson. You may have to votebased on what your gut says.

plaes 15y ago

Bill summary and list of cosponsors/supporters: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:HR03261:@@@P http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:HR03261:@@@P

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chris_gogreen 15y ago

The list is here, someone else added it first in another comment. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111203/00494716961/some-data-how-much-big-media-firms-are-donating-to-sopapipa-sponsors.shtml http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111203/00494716961/some-d...

wavephorm 15y ago
Wow, the US government is becoming frighteningly corrupt.